This meeting is being recorded.
Good evening.
This is Wednesday, September 2,024.
This is the Syrian Committee for slew the St. Louis Unix users group.
Yes, our steering committee meetings are usually on Monday.
But Monday of this week was Labor Day, and so we pulled the usual members of the city.
And they suggested that they.
Prefer not to meet on Monday night. So we moved into this Wednesday.
So with that.
We'll start the.
Start the agenda.
Do.
We already asked if anyone had any agenda changes. No one suggested anything.
They all act as record.
Lee put in the.
Here's your report.
3rd report anything significant. There, we need to worry about.
No, just a buddy, and s it for the quarter.
9 $9 and 27 cents.
Okay. The calendar report I put the beans count in there. 3 was the number of.
Entries. So it's pretty.
Pretty, hefty.
Gain there, so.
Lot of stuff.
Which means that Gary probably hasn't purged anything lately, have you, Gary?
I was just digging into it earlier this week. And so, yeah, I did. I did purge stuff. But.
I realize I got more toge.
Like some of these groups, you know. I'd love to see them come back.
But hey!
We're pretty well out of Covid, and.
They ain't coming back.
Who's gonna.
Retire them.
On the subscriber report.
I went, and.
Got that the.
As usual the meetup. Numbers went up about 30 this month.
From 9, 38 to 9, 61.
Got a minor drop in the the announce one off, and.
Discuss is Terry at 200.
And Steercom is 24, and this admin we picked up a name.
No big, deal.
I saw 2 names on there. It looked like some of the people that were.
Came in from either the slack or the.
Newcomer.
Session and.
One of the said they wanted to participate in the.
Upgrades.
Of Bach, to.
Promote.
10 to 11, or whatever.
Yeah. Just minor.
Variants.
Attendance, counts.
That those.
Slack, is.
Picked up. Yeah, I had 19 people for this August.
Wow!
And.
Yeah. Mud was amazing.
This.
Was 22, which is kind of getting back up to normal.
And they, yeah.
The newcomer.
Are the St. Louis Linux group is.
Not as many as I thought we'd have, but in one respect, but I thought you know, it just seemed like
I didn't think we'd even have that many, but we did.
Yeah.
And.
And the new Linux group is newcomers.
Pretty.
Pretty consistent about, you know, at least 10.
I've had quite a bit more in the last couple of months. But that's okay.
Saying that.
Slack has really been showing some increase.
Got a duplicate there.
Gone!
Okay.
Yes, it's let's see. Where am I? What do I want to say? Here.
Hmm.
Got some good supporting.
Attendees.
Yeah, do.
One guy, from.
Look. I mean, if you know, if it's.
Old timers who are just getting together to.
And discuss.
Hardware status. That's a great thing, too.
Yeah. And well, you know, it's it's mostly it's from new people. You know, a guy.
Canada, and a guy in California, and a guy, you know, from from.
Boston and things like that, and we had a guy show up from I don't know where, and.
And I.
Tend to get some of the meetings mixed up. I wanna.
When I get down to the newcomer meeting I want to talk about.
About that.
To to an extent.
Maybe you know.
Tomorrow is a new is this month slack meeting. And hopefully, some of the guys will show up from there, and I can.
Make some corrections, and.
Clarify a few things. Steercom. Meeting, of course we had, since, you know.
I'm acting as recorder this month.
Ken couldn't make it
The August meeting. Ken did a.
A. A Kvm for beginners.
Basic tab.
Tutorial kind of thing.
Yeah.
Any comments.
Observations.
Were you there?
Think.
Yeah.
I'm playing with my beard.
I remember.
Well, he.
He laid it out.
You know, just pretty matter of fact, there wasn't a whole lot of.
Area to quibble about.
And I did.
Laid it out. There.
Just seem like everybody. Okay, that's a good. Yeah.
Simple,
Coverage.
Quite sufficient.
As an introduction.
I thought.
Whatever.
And.
And then, Lee did some stuff firewall fixing with chat, gpt.
Scary.
Yeah, really, yeah.
It really is kind of scary, but.
8, 2.
What useful.
Yeah.
I'm throwing in extra words to kind of make it look like.
I don't know.
Any other comments about that.
Yeah, I would definitely say usual, because that's definitely going. I noticed at Google.
Day yesterday, whenever it was.
Now without me asking it.
Google has just engaged their AI assistant. And you know, if I ask question.
It.
Just the 1st thing it comes up with is the ais.
So.
Yeah, we all better.
Learn what the caveats, drawbacks.
And.
That that's.
Take everything with a grain of salt right?
Hmm.
Yeah, I I signed up for Jim, and I advance so I could do the whole conversation with the AI thing.
I haven't used a whole lot yet, but the the couple of times I did use it, it provided me useful information. But basically, the way it works is you just.
It's you just basically hit start, or you hit go and it like you just talk to it. So you ask it a question, it'll respond. You can interrupt it, and it'll shut up and.
Hmm.
Respond to your new query, and and.
That's kind of the kit. The the main feature is that you can kind of interrupt it.
And or you just keep asking more and more questions, and like somewhat of a conversational type thing.
That's pretty neat. I kind of thought I would use it like.
Driving down the road and stuff like that, or doing the dishes, and I haven't.
I haven't really done any of that yet. I mean, it's still really awkward to have a conversation with a machine with other people in the room, you know, so we gotta be alone.
And yeah, I guess I didn't quite feel comfortable doing it while I was driving the other day. So.
But it's it's getting there.
Okay, and.
With all fears of.
Watching this in Science Fiction movies, you know where the AI and the robot or the.
Desktop.
More than happy to have a conversation with you, and you're not comfortable with it.
Hello!
I just recently, in the last day or 2, watched a movie ghost in the.
I forget what.
Ghosts into something, another.
The Japanese.
Goes to the shelter. Yeah. Goes to. The shells are pretty good one, if that's what you're talking about.
Yeah ghost in the
Shell.
Anyway, it's it's
It's a Japanese movie. And.
It.
Reiterates all our fears about a lot of things, and
And it gives a kind of an interesting perspective. If if.
This becomes sent.
If, if, if.
Hi! AI!
Does become senten. It has a couple of different perspectives on.
What it would be thinking about.
And you know.
And it's not necessarily.
Immediately.
Gonna stamp out humanity. But you know.
It.
It's just kind of.
Well.
Nothing's really changed in the last 60, you know. Not not 2530 years.
It's still scary.
I don't know.
Oh, by the way, Shawn, this morning. By the way.
Got an email sent to Luke Dotorg and it from some guy that said he was running a.
A
a.org site that about pre.
Ai chat.
Whatever stuff I'm gonna forward that to you.
Because I don't know enough about it to know whether it's spam or what.
But elist a bunch of.
Of other.
Resources, so you might be able.
Evaluate and.
And see what it's like, you know.
Sure.
Okay.
Any other comments about the firewall, fixing.
Yeah, I think it's just. I think that that talk just kind of proved kind of the general AI thing like
You know, if you read enough docs.
You're gonna see other people's examples from other people's situation.
And then you have to like, apply that to your thing right? But with AI, if you can explain the the problem well enough.
It can.
Taylor. It can basically take all that learning and tailor it to your exact situation.
Which is what makes.
AI!
Produce answers more quickly or makes you get done with your task more quickly than regular Google search right? And so I.
Lee's talk kind of just.
Showed that as well, and I think it also provokes some pretty interesting.
Yeah.
Conversation cause. A lot of our conversations are just kind of crapping on AI. But I think after that talk we had a more nuanced conversation. Besides, just AI bad. So.
I like that.
Well, and it's all a matter of.
Knowing
The right questions to ask or asking.
Good good questions, that.
Narrow down. What you're expecting, you know.
Yeah.
It's definitely not for the Scripties.
Good.
Living in interesting times.
Yeah.
Moving right along.
We had a.
Andrew Denner's talk. He's he's a guy from a central Iowa.
Lug.
On a build, a scriptable ocier.
Thing.
Comments.
It's pretty interesting.
Yep, I thought so too.
It's it's it's kind of. It's kind of funky how Podman seems to be winning the docker.
Yeah, I really kind of lost touch. I realized there was.
The need, and like an understand it now. But yeah, this competition going between the.
Between different containers.
Good talk, good talk.
That's going to feed into a question I'm going to have about next.
Wednesday's talk, but.
Go on!
But somebody else has comments.
Alone.
You know. I think Podman is something we could have a lot more talks on, cause it's got a whole bunch of capabilities that.
I don't know. I don't know how useful they are. That's the thing right? Cause I think. What
What he showed was.
Interesting.
Intellectually, and kind of cool.
But.
Am I ever gonna actually use that? I don't know. I can't think of a situation where it actually ever actually used buildup.
Compared to just writing a docker file.
I guess my knees just aren't that complicated for what I do in containers, but it's still cool to know that.
That exists and can be done. If I ever do need to do something that.
Complicated.
I think that's the distinction is, you know, if it's just.
One of us, and you know we're just kind of.
Doing a 1 off Knockoff.
Yeah.
But
And if you're working in.
Corporate environment. And you're the development team. And you got to turn out.
X number of containers a week.
Imagine something like.
Like this probably is.
Very useful kind of keep things straight.
That'd be my guess.
Yeah, it's like, it's like a different.
Developer experience to get to basically the same like, you get to the same result in the end. It's just a different way.
To get there, I guess.
Using build versus using a docker file.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems to be the replacement for.
Docker, file, and compose.
Right.
No, I didn't.
All too much technology for me.
No, I didn't, really. I don't think I have a place, because compose is all about like having a single file that can talk about like they can run a whole.
Like web app right like database back, end, front, end, type of thing.
And like specify the ports and all that.
And the mounts.
Well, yeah, I thought, that's what Builder would do.
I think Bill is more like for building the container right, and then once you build it, then running, it is something you do with Pod, man or.
You know, compose.
Soccer, compose.
Yeah, and it.
Actually running the container, but build up building it.
Yeah, it looks like compose has to use something under the covers. So.
Normally it would use, doctor, but you can force it to use. Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
I will, I will say, from my perspective, it's.
I don't do development on out on the Internet. I don't deal with.
With the.
Streams, of.
Machines and docker, and you know 5,000 servers and all that kind of stuff.
Little bit.
Beyond my interest, actually.
While.
Myself, I would.
Preferred. If we could get some more.
Things focus strictly on.
On sys admin.
In a smaller universe.
I think I don't know.
Yeah.
Cause. There's a lot of. There's a lot of things that we're not.
We're not addressing that.
Gets back to, and especially in the basics area.
You know.
We're not talking about logging.
And.
Permissions and a lot of stuff that are interested.
Interesting, of of would be of interest.
To new people and.
You know, intermediate level.
The sysadmins.
But that's.
We get what we we.
Get what we can get right. Gary.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, when I talk to potential presenters, I.
Did they ask them for this kind of stuff, you know.
About. Let's just talk about some goods and stuff.
But.
Yes, every, not everybody, but so many of our potential speakers.
Or into the.
Latest, greatest.
Bleeding edge thing, you know. It's like, Oh, I want to do this, and.
Kubernetes.
Yeah.
Well, that's that's because those kind of people that that would do a talk for us have always been on the bleeding edge. I think.
Yeah, there's some truth to that.
Now.
And I think so much of Linux is like assumed. Now, you know, it's like.
It's like you don't need to know, like for the for the things that you know.
I don't think that.
Well, okay. So I think in the job market, I think Sysadmin is not.
Yeah.
Really a job anymore, at least not a title that many people.
Nearly as many people have.
And so.
They. They want devops. A guy, a guy can do Sys admin plus development.
Right? Exactly. So, yeah, so like, they just kind of assume that you know enough, or can at least learn enough like of that basic Linux stuff to just kind of get.
Get by.
Yeah.
And then, you know, focus on.
Like all the Ci and stuff like, you know, continuous integration stuff and doing all that. So it's like.
And a and a lot of the container stuff and and docker, and and.
Kubernetes, and all.
Keeps. Keep you from shooting yourself in the foot a lot, I think right.
Yeah.
Well, yeah. And they pull. They're all abstractions on top of Linux, right? So it's like.
It's like it's kind of the same argument as like, you know. I'm sure there's somebody out there who says like.
Developers today are so clueless they don't know assembly.
Right.
And that's true. I'm sure a ton of developers don't know assembly, but the truth is, they kind of don't have to right. They use these higher level languages. And now kind of.
Linux. This admin has kind of grown the same way where it's like.
Yeah, you do a little bit in the terminal still. But mostly you're working with Kubernetes and things that are kind of on top of.
A base Linux system where you don't actually touch the.
The primitives, like.
That often, you know you still do.
But just not as much, you know.
So I think that's why we're not. I think Sysadmin as a whole is kind of.
Waning a bit, and I think that's why we're not getting as many talks on that kind of stuff. But I think that.
But I still think there's opportunities here.
Like, for example, like we're talking about pod man. Right? Well, Podman has really awesome integration with System d.
And I think System D is a thing.
That we could get some people to talk about. That's both good.
For home users and really good for enterprise, use cases as well. Right? So like.
Like, you know. What if on your home you want to run like.
A git lab instance in your home network or something. Well, they offer that as a container.
You can run it with pod and System D, and you know that that might be an interesting talk, because it could be. It could kind of.
Be good for home users and.
For enterprise, you know enterprise to some extent.
Bill.
Users, as well.
Hmm.
And I
You know you got me thinking of.
The big picture of history.
And you know, yeah, go back to.
1960. S, maybe, you know, it's like.
Yeah. At that time anybody who was working 1st off.
Company had to have a csad to.
Know how to get their hardware running.
Keep it running.
And.
Of.
Somebody really had to understand assembly language. And oh, yeah, you gotta run this. Otherwise, that.
Cobol compiler won't come up. And oh, you gotta do this in order to get the.
Does terminal.
Manager to come up and.
Of.
And all that. It just becomes so customized over the years that we just kind of take it all for granted. It's it's there. It'll work.
That companies don't seem interested.
Having somebody with a title assistant who's gonna make sure it's all there.
I know. I wish I loved doing this admin stuff, but it's just not.
Yeah, I was just too worried that that job was gonna vanish underneath me and go to the cloud, you know. So I had to.
Switch to development, because that's like an ever more evergreen, I think, than.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Wow!
And it makes more sense to have.
Instead having.
You know, machine
Machines on the 4th floor.
Just put it up on the cloud.
You know.
It's it's cheaper.
Yeah.
And paid twice a bunch.
Yeah.
Oh, well.
I don't know what else to say here. Anyway, I want to talk about the new Linux thing.
That last meeting.
We had a.
A.
Disabled.
Attendee.
He was.
On!
Iphone.
And.
I didn't.
Understand that.
Until much later.
In the meeting.
And I still don't understand it. What.
What was disability? Why is an iphone, a key.
Thing here.
Well, he he was in a hospital and he was on a phone. He'd.
And I kept thinking he was on an apple machine desktop kind of thing.
Okay.
And I kept suggesting things that would.
If you that I knew that if he were on a.
He was talking about.
He wanted to get into Linux and.
Not knowing that much about the iphones, and so forth. I was approaching it to the from the extent of.
Well, you get a machine and you install Linux from an Iso things. You know that that kind of paradigm.
And
Yeah.
You know he didn't even have an apple.
Hard drive, you know, that wasn't his daily driver. He was just the guy on a phone.
Oh no!
You know.
And I confuse some of the other guys there, because I kept saying.
The way I was saying so.
The questions I was asking and the things I offered. You know.
So he that went on about 20 min before I realized that. Oh, he's strictly on a phone.
Yeah, cool.
And.
We didn't have anybody there that.
Was even.
But spell apple, let alone.
Know anything about the iphones.
So.
They? They transition kind of thing, or we weren't much help for him. I think.
Although.
We did, you know I threw a couple of things out there.
A.
Hmm.
So I've got to be a little more.
Observant is to be careful what I what I think I'm dealing with when I talk to a new person.
Okay.
Plus
The month before.
I went back and listened to the recording.
And.
From that I developed some.
Additional slides. Kind of a.
Transit, not transition. I forget the term I wanted to use supplemental slides.
The idea being that when the.
When the discussion gets.
Gets slow, and people are not asking questions.
You know.
Get threw up a thing you guys want to talk about Vento, or you want to talk about.
You know
You know.
Command line versus gui, or something like that. So I have, like one.
I built about a dozen slides that.
Or so about 8 or so, and wound up with a dozen.
About 8 different topics that were kind of mentioned in the previous months. Discussion.
And they were kind of a good hit.
Come. Those that I did show.
And I plan on using them also at the slack meeting tomorrow.
Because a lot of the same kind of stuff.
Comes about.
Unfortunately, with this slack meetings that we don't have a lot of configuration or.
Hardware software can kind of issues. A lot of times.
And it's it's free format. So it's pretty much.
The discussion kind of seems very much like what happens at the newcomer.
The big. You know the new Linux beginner.
Sessions.
Very similar.
And though.
Of course.
We generally only have maybe one or 2.
People that come in from.
The 30. That's.
Off of Meetup that say, they're gonna attend.
So.
Oh, yeah.
It is whatever.
And you know, and I.
24 day deodorant quits, and they never come back. I guess.
Going back to your your.
Comments about this guy phone user.
Of.
That's another thing, or history has caught up with us, you know. It's like.
The.
The the younger folks.
They're like.
Desktop.
What? What's a desktop.
And you know, laptop or notebook. Yeah, force me to use that at school. But.
More and more.
People younger said.
That's where they do. All their computing is on the phones.
Yeah.
And and more so.
In the rest of the world and in the United States. I mean, you know.
A lot of countries. They've never had the money to.
Be spending money on.
Laptops.
We've had some of the guys that have come in that.
They run some Kd phone kind of thing that.
That.
Presents everything.
On a.
Found onto their laptop as a window.
Oh, good!
Yeah, so look so. It looks very much. Say, I haven't. I haven't gone down that path to explore that yet, but.
It's yet another thing that adds 47.
Packages, you know, to do 3 things.
Yeah.
God, whatever.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know what else to say here, but.
Before you.
I'll be using about a dozen.
Mental.
I don't know what's I don't know what's next. But before we move to next month I can show the online presence for.
August.
On Twitter and Youtube.
So whenever we're ready for that.
Okay, hang on a second.
Sure.
Boom.
You want it. So you want to jump ahead to to what.
Coverage of.
No, I don't wanna jump ahead. I was just saying, before we move right now we're talking about August. So before we move into talking about September. I can show the August.
Okay.
Well
Yeah.
Yeah, this is.
Present Online Presence, Stuff.
Yup, so looks like we're going to September now. So let me go ahead and share my screen real quick.
Okay.
You should be seeing my twitter. Is that right?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, is it big enough? I can make it bigger.
So on August 12th I tweeted out about.
The firewall talk.
Oops. I did not mean to click on that.
And then, on August 12, th I also tweeted out about the Kvm. For beginners talk with a link. Both of those have a link to the meetup.
Website.
August 21st I tweeted out that the recording had been uploaded to Youtube.
So I was a little bit slow on that one.
Then, on August 21, st I tweeted out that Andrew dinner was gonna give us a talk on Builda, a scriptable way to build Oci to meet up.
And then on the 23, rd I.
Tweeted out that the recording had been posted. So that's our twitter.
Nice.
Let's see what. Let's let me click on one of these things and see what this does. So it looks like we had 14 impressions on this suite.
I don't know what that means. I guess 14 people saw this Tweet. I guess.
That's what I was wondering. What does that mean?
That's my hunch!
And it looks like.
Where are you seeing? 14? I don't see 14. It was on the screen here.
Different ones, level.
Over here. So this one has 11.
So I guess I guess we.
That little I right that little I right there. Doesn't that give you information to what a.
It just says, times this post was seen.
So I guess this is how many people saw. This. Tweet was 11.
Okay.
So.
Possibly 11 people.
Saw it, and might have decided to come to the talk.
So I guess that's okay.
I post the exact same things on mastodon. So here is.
The same post about the firewall talk. Here's the same post about the.
Kvm. For Beginners.
We got a retweeted us on these ones.
I don't know. Oops.
I don't know who. I don't know who it was.
I don't know
And then the same thing about the Youtube video. And then here's Andrews and the Youtube video from Andrew. So.
So yeah, same exact thing is on Twitter. I just crossed it at the same time to mastodon.
If we look at the Youtube Channel like I said, I posted these a little bit late. But if we want to look at the analytics for.
Fixing your firewall. Let's see the analytics on this one.
14 views
Oh, not even an hour of watch time so.
Not very much engagement on that one.
Let's look at this other one.
3.5 h of watch time, so I don't know why, but I guess people are enter 26 years. I guess people are interested in buildup.
Let's see.
People typically watched.
About 9 min of the video.
Average view, duration.
Key Moments for audience retention. Does this work.
Does not appear to be working.
Huh! That'd be interesting to see. But, anyway.
So that's our Youtube analytics for this month. And then, of course, if we go to the.
The new site. We have the, you know, the Youtube videos embedded and all that. So we have.
All this is up and running.
Looks like it's working well.
No issues. There.
And as we saw, we're using the same image on Twitter.
Same image on Youtube.
Same image on the new site, so it looks very cohesive and.
I think it's a pretty strong.
Online presence. And so this is the.
Update.
August.
Interesting, nice.
Nice.
Okay, I I will admit to my confusion.
Now the site sloop org. This goes to what you've built.
That's not the same as.
Of the.
The.
The system that we're gonna be doing to for the transition from Debian 10 to 11. It's a different thing, right?
Yeah, the the site has nothing really to do with the Debian upgrade.
Okay.
I'm wondering, should we go ahead and do the this? The transition to.
Or just try and wait till.
Hopefully. Get the upgrade done.
In a.
In the next.
6 months.
Or less.
Yep.
How's that coming, leek? Any idea?
I got so many.
Fry and pans boiling over right now. I haven't even had time to think about it.
Yeah.
So what I was afraid of.
Yeah.
My gut level reaction is never good, that.
Change 2 or multiple things at once. So it's like.
If if we're on.
Pause, delay on.
Upgrading the OS.
Maybe we need to move forward.
Bring the new website up.
Well, what what I'm thinking is.
Sean. When will the new website.
Stable enough to be a forward placement.
Stable and are complete.
Yeah, I think it's pretty much. I think it's pretty much been there for a couple of months now, at least one month. I know last month meeting I or during the Steercom.
I
Was pushing for it to be the site.
And I still feel that way. A month later.
The only thing that's not complete is the presentation. Archives are not linked.
To the meeting.
So like, for example.
When Stan uploads the slides and stuff like that.
Those aren't being linked on the exact meeting that the slides are relevant, for, like that page.
But there is a link to the presentation archives on the new site, so you can click on that and see the old.
Presentation Archives.
That being said I did do some amount of work.
To show the Pdfs and things.
If anybody remembers we have this plan to generate some Json files and put them.
On Bach.
And then my website would.
Fetch that Json file and display.
The.
Attachments.
And I did the work on the website end to do that. And it does work.
Where my test, Json, that I created.
But the work that still needs to be done is somebody needs to write whatever kind of bash script, or whatever that runs on box to generate those Json files.
Hmm.
So once those Json files are generated.
Then the site will start displaying.
The attachments on the meeting page, and I can actually show the test. One.
Let me share my screen, since nobody else is sharing right this second.
So if we go down here to Craig's talk, this is my, the one that I did the test for.
So you can see down here, there's a video recording.
Audio recording chat login captions in this meeting.
We we got blank screens. Excuse me.
I'm not. I'm not seeing. I'm not seeing anything.
Oh!
Let me try again. Sorry.
Any better this time.
There you go. Got the page.
Yeah, that's better.
Okay, so this is Craig. Craig bush talk from.
July.
And this is the one that I created. The Json file.
This is what I was using to test it with.
So I manually created the Json file for Craig's meeting on Bach.
And, as you can see, with the Json file created, we have the video recording.
The audio recording the chat log and the captions. So it does link to the right meeting page.
When the Json file is created.
But we just need somebody to go in and write the script that will create the Json file for all the meetings. Not just this.
One off that I did.
But until we get that, if you go up here to resources.
There's a link to the presentation Archive right here.
And this will take you to the existing.
Presentation archive site, where you can see all this.
All this stuff.
And
Yeah. At 1 point Grant said that he was gonna write that script.
To do the Json, but I think he's.
Been busy, or something, because it hasn't happened.
Let me see if I can show the.
Json, File.
This screen.
Is? Is it my understanding? Is it my understanding that the Json file you're talking about? Is it.
It's uniquely created for every meeting based on the topic.
That it.
Yeah. The Json file.
Should be.
Office. So it's like, What is it like? Serve media? Something.
Or.
Hey? I think I did.
I think I did.
Okay, here we go. 2024, 0, 7.
So here's the Json file. And like, I said, this is the one that I created manually by hand, using vim or something.
But it has just like one. It has 4 fields. The display name.
The file size.
The relative file path. And that's important. So I can link to the right file.
And there's just some extra field here, because Grant wanted me to text.
Test, having an extra field.
So really, there's just these 3 fields.
And so what we need is we need some kind of script that will basically traverse through.
Like all these directories, from 2,000 to 2,024.
And.
Figure out like, Okay, here's all the.
Here's all of the.
Files from, you know, whatever this is, may, or whatever.
Here's all the files for May.
Let me create a Json entry for each one of these.
And the problem's gonna be like the display name.
Right because they're not gonna be as good as like video recording.
But I still think if we just take like, if we just take this right here and we just strip off the date part at the front.
And.
You know, if somebody sees a file called Linux with this hope, Mp. 4, maybe hopefully, they'll know it's like a video file. I'm hoping.
And so it won't be perfect.
But that's something that'll easily be, you know, more easily scriptable than like.
Trying to manipulate the actual display name to be something really pretty, you know.
Well.
So, anyway, that's what. That's what that's the one thing. If we're gonna say, one thing is still missing from the new site.
Yeah.
That's the one thing is the Json files.
Well, well, one thing encourages me. I'm I'm looking at.
That page.
And video recording chat, log and captions is totally obvious. What it is.
I don't.
I don't see a big need to.
To generate fancy captions. Part. I think that would be more distracting.
No, I think no, no. So those I typed in by hand, right? So the file was called like.
Stl, Linux.
Right, right.
You know, 2, 56 by 1,440 Mp. 4. Right? That's what the file name is called.
And I.
Using.
Great, and and and that would be the link.
I don't see any anything wrong with using video recording for all of those.
Text on the website.
Right? So you're saying, yeah. So what you're asking for then is like a little bit of extra logic in the script.
Whenever the script encounters a file that ends with that Mp. 4.
Right.
Put video recording as the display name, right?
Yeah. And like, I said, that wouldn't be hard. But you know we we don't have any script at all. So, adding a little bit extra logic to it when there's nothing is.
Yeah.
I think, for the most part it's either an MP. 4.
Format, or that that the apple thing is M. 4 KI think it is.
There's a container name.
So see either one of those 2 container names.
For the videos.
Yeah, but we don't. We don't get MP. 4 s. From zoom. So.
Or do we.
We do?
Yeah, it seems like lately they've been consistently come down as MP. 4 s.
I think.
Harm.
RM. 4 KSI forget one way or the other. It seems like it's been consistent last couple of months.
Surprisingly.
Oh, one thing that
That.
Would have to be added to the a new site that you're building. Sean.
Is the way I announced the.
Instructions.
You're aware of how I do that on the current pages.
I said, the next step.
Txt 5.
Okay.
Something like that needs to be added to the somewhere on the news
Site web pages.
Yeah, I have. I have that already. So.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, it's just it.
Yeah.
I haven't. I haven't looked at it in a while, so I'll I'll go look at that when I get a chance.
Well, you're not gonna see it. So I use some Javascript to hide that unless it, the meeting is in the future. So the meeting has to be in the future.
Or.
Basically more than one day in the past, or something like that. And if that's the case, I show a zoom link on the card, and then if you click into the meeting, I show a big banner, big yellow banner across the top that says, Click here to connect to the meeting.
But that banner and that button only appear.
If the meeting is in the future.
Well, I've.
Yeah.
Well.
Or if the meeting was less than 24 h ago, I didn't want this situation where? Because time zones are hard, basically. And I didn't want some situation where somebody's in India trying to join our meeting. And the damn thing doesn't show up. I didn't do the Javascript right? So it basically shows up.
Well, it's it's I. Just.
24 h after.
If you look at what I display, I.
A, next.
That text file, it'll say.
It's in future date.
And then, when the actual instructions are there, I replace that file with the instruction file.
Right.
With the same name.
Yep, and that's what my message says. My message says like it will be posted here on the day of the meeting, or something like that. So.
Oh, okay, that's that's yeah. That's what it's supposed to do. Right?
So we're we're good there. We already have that taken care of.
Okay. Good.
And.
And I will write reiterate again, folks, that my brain is mushy.
It so.
I have not been able to read much email.
At all in the last month and a half 2 months.
It's just burnout.
Really.
I have to admit.
I am.
Fighting eyesight problem. So, seeing my eye, doctor, and.
Seeing what we can do about that.
Oh, really, you didn't tell me that when you borrowed my vehicle today.
This? Does.
I guess I should have got out an eye chart and see if you could.
That's right. Yeah.
People that I had.
I figured most of the other things on the road were bigger than 14.
Okay.
Alright!
Where do we go from? Here? I've lost control. I didn't have any control, but.
It was an illusion.
Sean, I really like the.
Yeah, the the walkthrough.
Bringing up the.
Social, media.
The old, but it was really good.
And I'm not a social media guy.
Yeah, I think it's good to review our presence every month and see how. See what's getting traction, what's not.
Inform some of our decisions. I mean, right now, it's just.
Everything's so low volume, you know, that it doesn't.
You know, there's no real big decisions to make, but.
That could change. Never now, I guess.
But I think we're moving on. Are we moving on to September now?
I think we're done talking about August.
I guess we can say it.
Yeah.
What am I supposed to do?
September.
Okay.
Way I love the way.
You know that.
Stand!
Even though.
Slack and new lug.
Quote unquote. Don't have presentations.
Stan always has a bunch of.
Slides.
Ready to go, you know. Somebody asked a question at slack. Well, hold on here, let me put this up. And so, Stan, you're amazing. And how you think ahead.
Have all these overheads ready to go.
Well, I'm I'm trying to meet the the issue of dead air.
You know.
And.
We don't have a lot of.
Of a newcomer show up at these meetings, and though that we, those that do show up are shy.
And or they.
They don't know what to ask.
They have no clue.
So you know when the.
When the.
The cricket starts singing. I just figured I'd I'd.
Throw some of this stuff out there and say, you know.
Yep.
And.
Got some good suggestions, you know, and in the past I've gotten a lot of good suggestions from stuff that Shawn has pointed out to me, and.
And initially, a lot of times. I don't. It sounds like my response is, I'll never do that. And then I get to thinking about it.
And I either do it or something, or it leads me to something else. That's a a you know. It becomes a good thing to do.
Yeah.
So.
You know I'm I try to be flexible, you know, but.
Of.
There's and there's been a couple of suggestions from other guys that some of the meetings and.
You know. It's just, I said ongoing thing. I just. I just wish more of our old timers would show up at either one of those meetings.
Yeah, yeah.
You know.
And is.
It's it's gotten to the point that.
The slack meeting. If it wasn't for Phil Bunch showing up, I wouldn't. I'd be at a total loss with a lot of the questions because relating to hardware. Because I'm not a hardware guy.
You know.
And.
It's a shame that Gary Mckee doesn't show up anymore.
He used to come to all the meetings, and and he knew a lot about hardware, and so forth.
But the.
Keep meaning to call him up on the phone. See if I can encourage him.
Yeah.
Anyway!
Do we have anything for the base, Luke? On the 11.th
Only you should ask.
Okay.
Last month.
When
It wasn't Mr.
Was presenting.
On
Builder.
And how to.
Build compatible containers.
The Open Standard for containers.
So.
The the guy who probably was the 1st guy to talk like to us.
Stephen Borelli.
And a guy that had to be like 6.
7 years ago, that the.
Did a number of presentations for us in the early phase.
And.
So I called Borelli and said, Hey, you know.
We had a presentation. I'm sure you'll like it. Oh, yeah, I really like to hear that. Yeah.
The only thing is is.
I'm in Hong Kong.
And
Can't think of a Linus tour balls.
He's doing the keynote address at same time as the meeting.
So yeah, I'm going to be in the front row for Lioness's address. I won't be in this Luke meeting, so.
However, I did put the arm on them. Well, obviously, then, you're gonna learn all kinds of good things, and.
So. Gee! Can you come back and tell us all about it?
So.
Right now.
Set up for Wednesday.
Would both be presented by him.
And the 1st one.
See the 1st 1. 0, would this be a summary of.
What Linus did.
The Cube Conference.
Obviously, since he was there and keynoting it.
Of.
There has to be some interaction between Linux and Kubernetes that that he's.
Champion.
Finally.
So I'm I'm hoping that.
That.
Steve.
Well, this, this is Gary. This is still a work in progress, so it's nothing final yet right.
Well, he's, he said. He's willing to do it. The thing is is, you know, right now.
He's just got, you know his.
Is quick, notes.
And he's he's hoping.
Of the conference leaders are going to put.
The video from
Linus's keynote out on, you know, make it available publicly.
And if he does that well, that'll have a lot more material to go through.
But if he doesn't do that.
Hopefully, he can give us just a feel for. Okay?
I mean, we've been talking about, you know.
Most of our people. It's just, and they just want to know how to run Linux and.
When we start talking about Kubernetes, docker.
And eyes kind of roll up into foreheads. And it's like, Okay.
Maybe this is a chance to.
Say, okay. Linus was there.
So this, this.
There's something that we should know about.
Well, that's that's all interesting and everything. But my question is, is this finalized, or is it.
This is just consideration, right?
No, I think we're we're good. We're finalized. He will do the tutorial.
And the big question.
In my mind is, how long is the tutorial going to run.
And you know, until I see something of his presentation.
I don't know if it's gonna run 7 or 8 min.
Or is it gonna run 30 min? Probably a lot of that has to do with whether or not.
They publish the.
Yeah.
The video, and he can pick up slides and stuff.
Now, and even with that you know this you. The question is, how long is.
What he can do. In addition to that video.
How he approaches it.
Alright!
So I I my suggestion is yes, it should stay as the base.
And if it goes 5, if you know, if he only has his notes and they go.
5 1015 min.
Fine if it goes much longer. Fine.
We've always been.
Flexible at a point where, if the base goes long.
Hey!
Participation is great. We don't care if it goes beyond 30 min.
Yep.
We don't care if it goes beyond 45 min.
As long as the.
The whatever we have.
Selected as Main.
Is is that presenter is not too upset with everything.
I guess.
Whatever.
Which is the which is the next beautiful part about this.
The.
Would also be presented by Stephen Borilli.
And.
On the one hand, I don't know if I like that, because it sounds like a burnout for him.
But.
Yeah, I don't.
Well, I don't like when one guy does 2 things.
I mean, we've had a couple of successful times with that. Ken has done that where he actually did 3 things. 3 small things with, yeah, okay.
But that this is.
You know.
Now the thing is.
Variety is something we really need to maintain. I think.
Yeah, yeah, I like just the variety of getting a different voice and a different.
Accurate.
There!
Let me let me put up on the screen.
Of.
Go ahead!
Oh!
While you're doing that, I put the link in the chat. They just posted that video 7 h ago of Linus and Coupecong.
Excellent. Thank you for checking on. Okay.
Okay for his main talk.
Of.
What are you proposing to talk about?
Is the Kcl language.
And you know, basically, it's a language to.
To, to.
Right for kubernetes.
And containers. Yeah.
So I don't understand all the ins and outs of it.
Here you can see.
You did provide me with a.
Oh!
I can't spell kubernetes, so I don't care.
Yeah, well, and that's it. The Warden isn't even in this. Yeah. URL.
I mean he sent me this URL. It's kcl lang I/O.
And then it goes off, and it ends with getting started.
Slash! It!
How many languages are there? Gary.
Funny you should ask.
So.
In this.
Yeah, URL.
What it does is it compares.
Kcl.
To these other things over here on the right hand side.
So it's comparing Kcl to.
Yeah, I'm all Json.
To.
J.
Jay, sonnet.
OCL.
Hcl. To Q. You know I don't. I've never.
Heard a bunch of these things.
So.
Of.
Good.
Okay.
So. So, you know I I don't understand all the ins and outs.
And.
Lee Sean.
Do you guys have any feel for? Is this just.
Way past the point of where our users care.
Or is it something our users need to.
Get a field book.
I.
Think there's maybe one out of 50 guys in our crowd that could spell it.
I'd be interested I'd be interested. It's it's not something I would probably ever.
Find a opportunity to use, but I'd be you know I'm an automationer.
And it seems like this is sort of automating.
Some Kubernetes stuff which seems pretty cool to me. But I'm an automation. Nerd. I think if we are gonna pitch it to this crowd. We need to pitch the automation angle.
You know. Like with this language you can.
Stand up! Your Kubernetes! More.
You know, automated easily.
More better, something like that.
Oh! In in my mind, though.
Our folks will be more interested in something like rancher.
Because, you know, that's that's a Gui environment.
I've.
You know, done some learning on it, but.
Don't really have an application for it.
It seems like a lot of this stuff is just so deep down the rabbit holes.
I'm not sure people can even find a rabbit hole.
I.
The thing I totally dislike is one guy doing 2 things at the same meeting.
But I.
I am mildly interested in it.
Like, you know, but I'm would.
To be a cold day in hell if I were to use it.
Because I have no need for it.
That I can understand.
I barely understand what I do now. Why.
I don't think I know anyone here except for.
Maybe Sean and Grant.
That even have a concept for Kubernetes is.
Yeah.
I should have started the first.st
Couple paragraphs of this.
URL, what is Kcl, it's an open source.
Configuration and policy.
Hosted by cloud, native.
Strike, strike one.
What's your policy? Language.
That's what I'm wondering. That's I'm kinda interested.
Well, we're gonna bring
Now ed.
We're gonna see the screeching hold.
Ed. Hollin is interested in all kinds of languages.
Yeah.
But.
Because the Github says it's a constraint based record and functional language, and I've never heard of something called a constraint.
Based.
Record, language.
So I don't know. That's.
I'm kind of intrigued like I said I would. I would show up, but I might be the only one.
Well, it. I.
Well. And and I'm not gonna be there Wednesday, because we're at the Union. Okay?
Yeah.
So Shan, put that on your calendar and you start the session next week.
Yeah.
Okay, well, right now. I still.
I I know we're having on about this. But do we have an alternative, even if even if we
I I don't yet have an alternative.
Well, can you throw this throw that topic to to the Thursday meeting next the following week?
Now we already have a speaker.
We do?
I seem to remember we did.
We.
I volunteered to give one this month for terminal showdown. Kitty versus West Term.
I think I somewhere, and I had in there. I had you on the on the planning schedule.
Distro box versus toolbox. Is that what you're talking about?
That's next. Yeah, that'll be the next one that's still. That's still on the.
That's not this month.
Before I can.
Yeah, let's keep that on there, but not for this month. That'll be a couple of months from now.
And what what? What's the one you I apparently I missed.
That you're talking about.
Yeah, there's a email on Steercom where I talked about it. But.
Oh, I don't read em anymore. I can't understand anything.
Okay. So I.
I remember in in your email, Sean, you were saying that you would prefer.
To do it on the Thursday meeting rather than Wednesday.
So.
And what's the title?
I put in the chat.
Thank you.
Yeah, I would rather do it just to give me more time to prepare it, because it's not. I only have 2 slides so far.
Okay.
I need more time to prepare it. I don't know if I can prepare by.
The 11.th That'd be pretty tight.
So the Thursday would give me a bit more time.
Okay. So Kitty versus wes.
For the Thursday meeting.
Was.
Yeah.
Yeah, that.
That's what I would prefer.
Yeah. Otherwise, why don't we go with that for the Thursday meeting? And and that way.
Gary Gary will have to to really buckle down and find something else for the 11.th
Yeah, that that you know, it may wind up that we now that.
Sean was nice enough to find out that.
The video's been posted.
Of.
Maybe.
Maybe Steven can just stretch.
The.
The Linus Part of the Talk.
But the video is Linus's talk right? Yep.
Yeah.
How long's the video?
30 min!
I think it's a discussion. It says discussion. It's
Keynote. Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux, and get in conversation with Dirk.
Hohn DELI don't know that I can't pronounce that last name, but.
I used to. They do conversations like this quite often.
This dirt guy and Linus so.
But, Gary, my suggestion would be, this is the base.
What is just play the video for the base.
And then she can comment on it at the end.
Yeah, basically, that's what we're gonna wind up doing. Yeah.
Yeah.
Mean he was. He was prepared to make a talk.
Well, we ended up video. But now the video's there.
How do we tie this in with the Zoom session.
Technically.
You just play it, share your screen and then play it and make sure you click, share, sound.
There might be a way, I think there might be a way to do it.
Where is it? Yeah.
Last slide. It's broadcasting live.
Assistant.
The technology starting to overwhelm me.
Hi, yeah.
Here, how do how to play Youtube or any video during Zoom Meeting.
There a link to that.
Throw it to me.
Or put it in chat, or something.
That window.
Oh! And then I.
There you go!
Okay.
So I need to watch that video. Learn how to do it for the next meeting.
Oh, boy!
As I said, I've lost.
Yeah.
I know nothing else. We could just share the link, right? I mean, everybody can click the link and watch a Youtube video. So it's not.
Our our posted on the web page, say, read ahead, or watch ahead.
Whatever.
Now that that removes any chance of discussion.
Yeah, you, honest.
Unfortunately, you're right.
Hmm.
Yeah, I guess.
I would rather hear the Kubernetes.
Talk, then.
Watch a Youtube video like at the same time on a zoom call.
You got a point there.
Well, let me see if I'm Stephen.
If he would be playing the entire video.
Or if he's going to cherry, pick out of the video.
And, you know, pick out some comments and.
Took out some screenshots.
And then use that as a basis for.
It'll be able to talk.
That would make a difference how he approaches. What's.
Exactly.
Could be good or bad.
Might work, might not.
Okay.
Now? What.
Well, and I'll find out from him that.
Now that there's a
The video. How long do you think his talk may last?
And instead of doing a oral cookie meeting, maybe we just have one presentation.
And he's gonna run an hour. Hey?
We did an hour that night.
And then we could schedule the Kcl. At some future date.
They see them agreeable to it.
Damn it.
Yeah, I think I think the having the 2 meetings is like nice. If you if you have it, I don't think it's mandatory at all. You know.
Like. If somebody wants to do a base, then share, let's do a base. But if we don't, but if nobody wants to, then just doing. One, I think, is good.
Yep.
Good point.
Okay. I'll see if Stevens.
Acceptable to to this? Is it.
As a direction.
Which I'll know tomorrow.
2.
So, Sean, you're doing the September 19.th
Yeah.
And it's it's.
I don't know. It's gonna be more cause. So Kitty and Wester are 2 like terminal applications, right? So like you launch them on your Linux desktop. So I actually had it installed.
Linux.
Desktop to give this talk so.
I'm actually running on Linux now on my desktop, just on my.
Servers and things so.
But yeah, basically, modern terminal emulators are way better.
I mean. I see, Stan, I see your terminal has tabs here.
I don't know if we could do pains. I don't know if you can display images, you know. I think.
Monitor terminals are pretty neat, so I could show off some of the cool new features they have.
Yeah.
My brain is starting to go to mush.
What was that title? Again? Term.
Terminal showdown.
Alright!
Stup.
Okay. Well, I should probably head out. I gotta.
Okay.
Wake up at one am. For a deployment tonight. So I need to get in bed.
Okay.
Sounds like fun. Thank you, sir, for all the good. Yeah, really.
Good words and good efforts.
Not a good progress.
Yeah, I guess whenever you get.
An A, an abstract from Steve. Just send it to Com, so I can put it up on the website and the meetup and Twitter and all that.
Okay.
Alright talk to you all later.
Fantastic. Thank you. Thanks, Sean.
Pleasured.
Thanks, thanks. Shawn.
Next year. Meeting is September 30.th
Normal Monday before.
Week, before.
October.
And you know.
What was the.
Youtube that you add it to the chat.
That was Lennis' talk.
Oh, no! The
That was for Stan.
Yeah, that's that's a video that.
Show me how to do the sharing of a video.
Pairing. Oh, okay.
How to share a video.
Under zoom.
Hmm.
Well.
I'm burnout folks.
Honestly.
And.
Not even 8 o'clock, and I just
I've had it.
I tell you I understand the feeling.
Kind of the same way.
Okay. Understood.
Do we need? Do we need to? Should we cover anything else, server, admin or.
Dylan. Let's let's glance down the list here and see what stuff pops out of.
You know.
Lee, you'd be the one who's most.
Aware.
Do we need to talk about some.
Super Admin stuff here tonight.
I put a post out on Sysadmin about.
Taking a stab at coalescing our documentation, and.
Hopefully, we get a nibble from. Somebody might want to learn something, otherwise.
It's gonna take a little bit of effort to.
Pull! Pull all of the touch together from.
Mike and Grant.
Lee. There's just so many things I'd like to help with it. But I just don't have the steam anymore.
Last couple of months.
I hear you.
Even.
That's 1 of the reasons. I go to the gym every morning, so I can wake up.
Yeah.
Sweat a bit.
I try. I try to walk in the park every day, and don't get to it all the time. But.
And it does help. I can tell the difference if I don't walk.
And when I do walk it it improves my day. It really does. But.
Even at that I just don't have it. This the last couple of months.
Let's scroll down
Think we talked about sysadmin.
Box upgrade.
On the great. We part of that. Okay.
And that was this thing. You said that you posted on.
Looking for some participation.
Right, Lee.
Yeah.
If I had the energy I'd be going back and adding notes to these.
To the to this agenda, but.
I hear you.
Yeah, just.
I wanted to do that the last 2 meeting months, and haven't done any of it.
Or whatever.
Website, we're just.
We're.
I don't know.
I think, Sean said, a lot of things that fall in this category, but.
We can. We can go back later and try and.
Update the.
Category.
Yeah, I guess my only thought is.
If you play a Youtube video and share it. That means you've got a double bandwidth.
I think you'd be okay because you're on what kind of speed you get out of your fiber.
I, that.
Not.
I don't know. I don't know.
I just.
Well, you never tested.
No, not really.
Well, I've to.
Look, but
Look in your package manager for speed test.
Yeah.
It'll usually install speed test dot cli.
Yeah.
It's a command. Line, utility!
Yeah.
I I use it all the time.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is a lot of that stuff I'll run. I have no clue of what I've under, you know. I don't understand what I get back.
You know.
Well, that's what I'm saying. Speed test is very succinct.
Like 280.
Yeah, so essentially, it's you get a baseline. And then you go from there.
Deal with it.
Okay.
Well, the thing I don't understand is how variable it is nowadays. Right now. We got.
200 down and 400 up.
Yeah.
You know, 1st thing in the morning I'm usually 6 and 7 or something like that.
Well.
What the kind of different studies.
Yeah.
You know, more people are downloading and uploading it.
I wish I could justify that kind of bandwidth, but.
You know you're talking about.
An extra 400 bucks over what I'm paying now.
And I can't justify it.
Heck before I did that I'd upgrade this so they can get 2 and a half Meg service for like 100 bucks a month.
Anything to say about Meetup Gary.
It sucks.
As usual.
I mean it hasn't.
Done anything extremely stupid last month.
But.
I do have to admit we do wind up.
Picking up some fresh blood.
Yeah, but one or 2 out of.
30 names.
Oh, yeah.
Are those real names? Who knows?
Nose.
Yeah. Whoop!
And and.
No.
Ken said anything about a price increase.
No, he hasn't.
Yeah, Shan, I put a speed test in the.
In the chat for you.
So.
Okay.
Remember, take a look at it before you shut down.
Okay.
Oh, do! Do!
Alright! Whatever!
Yeah, yeah.
No, I'm saying. Then the package you want is the second one. Here, speed test. Cli.
Okay.
It's a command line package. No gui, no crap. Just run a speed test.
I don't think we need to say anything about announce going like.
Normal.
We're not doing anything with cameras and microphones and projectors, because we're not doing any.
Hybrid meetings.
The attendance database. It's functioning like normal and same as with the planning schedule report. Oh, which I did an update right before the meeting. Gary.
Oh, okay. Good.
And I'll I'll have to add that thing for Sean.
And I'll do that later this evening.
If my recording works out, or if it.
Or if the zoom recording works out whatever.
Haven't had any time to do any handouts.
Oh, you!
To have those organizational papers.
How about that?
Wonder what they are.
Once the mice carry the void.
Sponsorships.
Thank you, Lee, for your sponsorship. Thanks, Ken, for his sponsorship.
Thank you. Both.
Yep.
And we need some more Indians.
Definitely.
As usual.
Any new business we did talk about.
We can barely handle what we got right.
Yeah, really.
Golly!
The recurring requirements.
Looking through that right now.
Okay. In August.
New Linux org. Domain. Renewal.
I did that I did that.
Slack, org domain, renewal.
Yep, did that.
And I also posted the Missouri tax thing up on.
On the calendar, and I posted on discuss. I think I even did. I think I did.
But I was.
I remember correctly, I had to be. I was out of town. I couldn't go to.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Looks like we don't have any to dos.
Coming in September or October.
Right.
We're gentle, leisure.
Yeah.
Recognize useful efforts. Did anybody do anything useful for us besides us doing it?
Hamil.
I think Sean gets a gold star.
Yeah. Sean.
Yeah.
I guess Mike Knight.
Yeah, he he gets a
Gold star. How do you? How do you hide it, though.
He likes to hide.
So so we'll we'll give Mike a.
Invisible gold star. There we go. Yeah.
Because he likes being visible.
Could.
Of.
Sam. We can put it in later. But I remember.
We do have a couple of talks potentially lined up for October.
Tony's at Miropolis was one of them.
And to be honest, my brain is now.
And I can't think what the other one was.
Anything blue, blue sky. We need to talk about offline.
Don't think so.
Call it a night.
Sounds good to me.
Yeah, I move we. I move. We adjourn the meeting.
Alright, all in favor of the digital sign. The eyes have got it.
And this was the steering committee meeting for.
September.
2024.
It's the meeting for the St. Louis Linux Unix users group.
And.
This meeting was held on Wednesday.
September the 4.th
Because.
Or normal Monday night meeting time.
Was Labor Day this month, and so we moved the meeting 2 days.
Thank you all for coming and.