Yes, it is game, time.
Okay.
What meeting.
Book, period.
Alright folks. This is the August 5th meeting of the St. Louis Unix User Group, where we figure out what the hell we're doing this month.
Oh!
Stan. You got the agenda up.
I can do that.
Or or no Ken's. Here, Ken, are you ready to.
To do it this week or this month.
Completely. Optional.
We can't hear you ken.
Yeah, you're muted sorry.
There you go!
The place where I thought I had the username and password for the wiki.
Doesn't seem to have it.
Discussed freely for the wiki.
Any pet, any username.
Does.
What?
Discuss.
Username freely.
Oh, got it!
Okay, so would you like to follow along? Is that what I I understood.
Yep, I got it up here.
Let's see here.
There you go!
Can you bump it a couple times? I think Gary's not gonna be able to see that.
Hey? What'd you say?
Young whippersnapper.
Is that noticeably better.
That'll work.
Yeah, yeah.
Do we need to do any agenda changes.
Sean, you okay on time or.
Let's see, I'm here till 8.
And I I think we should probably talk about the website at some point, but not
But.
We can save it to the end. If you want.
I was hoping we'd have more bodies here.
I think everybody's lost interest.
Yeah, it's that summertime thing.
Oh, yeah.
Recording started about 6, 35, or so.
I like the 6, 3, 58.
I've had hours like that.
He's staying. Well, ken striping email from
Alex. Toll.
This afternoon.
Yes.
I'll get that.
Yes, I read my email.
There you go!
I don't know about you, but I read my email.
Kind of.
Or at least I have been in the last 3 days. I've been reading all the new stuff. Yeah.
Oops!
Yeah.
Hey, Stan, can you hear me at all?
Yeah, I hear you.
That should.
Okay. Good.
Steve.
Yes.
Yep.
Okay.
Wow!
I updated my.
Zoom, program, twice.
And every time I try to log in it says, Update, you need a new version.
Next.
Well, I already got that version doing that. So there you go.
For the most part.
You're working at zoom.
Yeah, the app, I mean, I imagine I've got crashes every time I started, and I and they keep reporting it to Zoom. But.
Yeah. So I just went back to using a browser. I guess it works. Okay.
I always use the browser that works better than any other piece of garbage they send out.
Yeah, you might be right.
Treasure report.
Yeah, it's in there. We didn't spend anything last month.
Okay.
Wish I could say that.
I spent it all last month.
Yeah, huh.
Yeah.
No kidding.
And then some.
Slide on, down.
Calendar.
I put the number in at 3, 57.
That's.
Yeah.
As the calendar items.
Up, a little high.
In other words, Gary had not cleaned it up so.
Yes, you've been told, Gary.
Certainly have.
Do you remember foghorn Leghorn.
Oh, yeah.
No, no, I don't. I don't recall thing about him. No, sir.
You did that pretty good.
Hmm.
Subscriber counts are in there.
Linear.
I'm trying to keep it under a thousand.
Put it under.
Keep what under a thousand.
The head, count on on the.
I don't.
meetup.com.
Oh!
I keep hearing. People say that.
They're going to do a price increase.
You know, but just.
With this.
I haven't seen anything.
Hear that!
Struggle.
I haven't seen anything anywhere that kind of stuff all the time.
I'll also hear from other people, you know.
That once you hit a thousand they want to bump up your subscriber, cross.
I'm not.
Okay, do we.
And.
It wouldn't.
I'm sorry.
Do we have?
Let's see.
It wouldn't have anything to do with greed, would it?
Course not.
This.
Alright. It looks like the July.
Meeting counts.
Me!
You know, attendance report has already been updated.
Yep.
They're in there.
Great.
Do we have any other meeting comments we want to make here.
Not no like that's further down in the review.
This is a review section. We we move the July meeting because of holiday.
Right.
Moved it to the 3.rd
Still sucks.
Had some duplicate entries in there, and when I went to delete the darn things.
It sent a message to everybody, saying the meeting was canceled.
Da da, and as it always does, because it's it's screwed up.
Anyway, I had the slack meeting on a Friday because of Independence Day, and surprisingly had a good attendance. It was larger than expected.
Okay.
Good.
And.
And that's all I remember from the meeting.
Just because I was there doesn't mean I know what the hell happened.
But.
Always have other people, help.
And it. You know it.
It's it's Phil.
Usually makes the meeting, and and he knows a lot of hardware and stuff.
And some of the other guys come in and they they help out.
And we do get the slack meetings. We do.
Newcomer. So now ask newcomer questions. And so we get up on that tangent after you know, we.
Essentially the slack meeting is one big call for help, session for.
Kind of problems you have with the hardware configuration or software configuration.
And then, you know, and.
Yeah.
You don't often have much of that, but we have. A newcomer comes in, and they ask us how to spell Linux and.
That's what happens.
Well, everybody got to start someplace.
Yep.
Yeah.
And I remember correctly, the attendance was like 14, or might have been 12 or.
For the the Friday after.
Independence day.
Well.
So that was pretty good.
Sure.
And.
Whatever.
And then the next meeting was the.
Smooth meeting.
I'm gonna pop up that.
We lost your your screen share ken.
So.
Yeah. That window closed.
For some.
Not a very obvious reason.
There you go!
What?
Edge, back.
Yep.
Base session was part 3 of.
Of capturing.
What do you call.
I can capture.
Yeah.
Back and capture.
But good.
Good I.
I thought.
Y'all do.
You did a good job on the presentation, and it was.
Just meet the way you know we.
We really had a nice.
Delete it, I mean, for a couple of months we've talked about how to.
How to do packet sniffing and.
And then, hey, okay, here's a real example. Want to figure out this. How do we do that? Well.
Happy.
Do this, that.
Worked out really. Well.
Anybody wants to anything else.
Is there going to be a part? 4.
I don't.
That's a good question.
I was thinking that that Grant said he wanted to do something on.
Show.
Pep.
Security ssh keys.
And.
In in tune with that I on discuss I I sent out 12.
Links.
Mostly from Youtube. About a lot of them dealt with Ssh.
For beginners and and things like that.
And.
So I don't know if he's going to do something for base.
I was kind of hoping that.
Somebody would ask him. Gary.
You know.
I'm Buddy.
But you know.
I don't even. Do you know that, Gary? Do you know that this guy Grant? He's on the Discuss Mailing List? I don't know. Do you get any of the Discuss mailing list stuff, Gary, do you? Do you.
Supposedly I do. Yes, this is.
Okay.
I think it's some point he had offered to do something.
Yeah, I.
Per the base.
I just didn't understand. I'll let you know in a second. If.
If not, I can do a quickie on.
How to fix your firewall with shet.
With with what chat, what.
Yeah.
How to fix your firewall with chat. Gpt.
Oh, really.
That one of those artificial intelligence, things.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I was. I was.
In his article.
I found a problem with our.
Firewall boxes this afternoon.
I spent about our beat on it, and.
I gave up and went to Chat Gpt, and had a fix. In about 5 min.
Ice.
Mainly substituting.
The large language models, and of a million different.
Information bases on ipt tables, substituting for my.
Limited.
Capabilities! Oh, wow!
Wow!
And of course the the main session was troubleshooting.
Using.
Right.
Tools.
I think Lee did most of that. Granted had some input to it. I don't remember.
Well, that was some time ago. I don't remember how involved Grant was with that.
Well, I I drove, and he provided the subject matter expertise.
Okay.
I thought it went pretty well.
Yeah.
Course we did the attendance. Wasn't that great?
Productive. That is because it was.
I don't know.
What about the next meeting.
Craig's saying about software architecture is big and small.
I thought the 1st 10 min were just a little above my brain.
But then it.
Seems like it settled down, you know. It was kind of, you know. He provided a kind of a background structure that.
Then he started talking about some stuff that.
Kind of made a lot of sense. It was very informative from that point on.
After the the first.st
So.
Over.
Do you say that it was on software architecture, big and small.
Yeah, it was kind of yes.
That, and that was.
Talking about. Essentially, they kind of use the industry.
Real life. Architectural industry. Kind of standards. Kind of.
Development.
To, to.
To.
Encourage the same kind of thing for software.
Kind of it it led to.
Developing.
Those kind of standards for software.
Kind of a.
Defining structures. Kind of thing.
Rfps.
Think of Rfps for.
Software.
As I kind of understand.
Any other comments.
About that meeting.
I haven't. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the.
Recording yet. I really wanna watch it. But yeah, it sounded like I really went well.
Gary needs to stop having his real life interfere with the business.
Amen!
And the new Linux meeting that that.
After that.
One come one newcomer with developing developer experience. He was like a programmer kind of thing.
He was moving from the windows. World.
This had a minimal amount of Linux experience, I think primarily with the.
Windows subsystem under windows.
Or the I mean the Linux subsystem kind of stuff.
Okay.
Right.
And he. He was asking a very large number of questions, and.
And.
Pardon the expression, but he essentially was a snot nosed developer as far as I was concerned.
Hey!
There's a lot of things he didn't know. I don't think he understood what Hex Code was. I don't think he understood what.
But for you know, etc, etc.
He asked a lot of questions, and he was very satisfied.
We hit a lot of different things.
And.
When I went back and reviewed the meeting that I had made.
Which is not posted anywhere.
I use it, for, you know, just taking the attendance.
It inspired me to create about 11.
Slides, you know, small slides on different topics.
That I was intended to use with the slack meetings and the new Linux meetings.
And then subsequently.
Of.
If you go down to the meeting and slide on down to the.
Meeting schedule it. It'll show the the actual slack meeting. I did use those.
11.
Information slides.
And they were inspired which were inspired by the questions asked. The new Linux meeting.
And they were quite helpful. We were then able to provide the.
Of.
Well if the 1st part of that slack meeting, which was last Thursday.
We had one. Guy came in from New York, and he had a question about.
Some odd kind of present representation of a.
A, a.
Hard drive it it he was trying to use.
Clon Zilla and some other thing, and it kept saying you had some weird configuration.
Eventually we figured out it was probably because he had pulled it off a windows machine.
And the windows. Machine.
Was, was saying one thing, but it was just kind of.
Not something that that Clone Zilla recognized, anyway. And then, later on, we had another gal in.
That was a obvious beginner.
And she had a whole lot of questions.
And those 11 slides.
Both this guy and well helped her understand a lot of things.
And the guy that came in from New York.
He stuck around, and he even helped explain things to her. It was a very good meeting.
Nice me.
You know.
Nice.
So many of the other persons.
Participants beside him were very helpful.
You know, and.
And Phil was there, and providing his hardware expertise and comments.
But he kind of sat back, and all the other guys do the do the doing the talking. So it was a very good participant kind of meeting.
Cool.
Those are the kind of things that that I like.
Especially when.
Some of the more knowledgeable guys show up, and and if we get a newcomer.
They? They answer the problems.
Instead of relying on me or Phil. That was great.
Nice.
Okay.
That leads us on to this meeting. Steercom was on the 5.th
I wish we had more people here, but.
We got Sean and Lee and.
Gary in the room.
And ken.
She!
He's here, too.
Who is.
Steve.
Oh, yeah, I forgot, she added. I'm not seeing it in in my display, so I forgot.
Sorry, Steve. You're important.
Kidney.
If it's okay, while we're still talking about last month, I thought I could review our web presence for the month of July. Would that be of interest? Anyone.
Yeah, I think so.
I say so.
Okay, I'm gonna steal the screen share for just a sec. While we review this.
Go ahead and save that thing. Ken.
Okay, so hopefully, everybody can see my screen. Now.
Yeah.
We see it.
Yeah,
So, starting with the Twitter account, you'll see the logo is the this logo.
Right.
And a name is Stl. Linux uses group like we talked about last time.
And you see here, I put a tweet out for.
The
So I think this is the base presentation out for the main presentation right here.
If we scroll a little bit, what's that.
Yeah.
Okay, we scroll up a little bit. There's when I when the recording was posted to Youtube, I tweeted about that as well.
And then, a few days later, I tweeted about Craig's talk, and then also I tweeted when the recording of that talk.
You're you're.
You're you're probably got more than one copy.
Was posted on Youtube.
Me!
No, I think you're you're picking up a side conversation here.
Sorry.
No problem. So okay? And then on Mastodon, I started crossing to Mastodon as well. So once again, here the logo is the same. The name of the group is the same. So we're having a more consistent web presence.
To help you.
Once again I posted, when.
But.
Of course, Craig's talk last month. I also posted when.
I put the Youtube video up.
With.
So I didn't have this up and running for the.
Yet, but I did.
And.
But if you'll notice what you should be noticing here is that the images.
The titles, the names of the group, and all that is similar. Across all these different.
Places.
And so I think what this is doing is it's giving us a pretty consistent presence across a bunch of different places. It also matches like.
Correct.
Our website.
A lot of the content, and everything matches.
You'll see the you know, the Youtube video is embedded in the site.
He was.
Same with this one. The Youtube videos embedded in the site.
So we're getting in my view, it's a very consistent web presence across both Twitter mastodon.
And our personal site.
And I think with one person kind of running all of those we're able to get it like.
Really consistent. I we could, with multiple people running it as well. But I think one person.
It's just easier to keep it really consistent.
If we look at the Youtube video analytics. So this is the slude meeting.
Actually 7 h.
Of watch time on this one, which is
More than I anticipated.
Now is that that 35 fuse does that.
In cloud include multiple times. You may have looked at the video or.
35, other people.
Do? Can you? Do, you know.
Yeah, it has a I don't know a ton about this, but it has this unique viewers metric over here, and it says, 31.
Oh!
Viewers, so I don't know how they.
Wow!
Yeah.
Wow!
Yeah.
That's gonna be way more useful to us than meetup.com. I think.
Once this really gets rolling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, we really need to think of the Youtube is just like a.
Archive for the members.
Right.
If you think of a Youtube video, right is, there's so much production value that goes into it. Now, you literally have, like.
10 seconds right to grab somebody, or else they're not going to watch the rest of your video unless they're.
Yeah.
Really bored or really interested. Right? Think about how our meeting or how our recordings start. The 1st 10 seconds are usually like a bunch of kind of shuffling around and.
You know it's not. We're not, you know. Anyway. Let's just think of this as an archive cause. If we start going down the route of. We need to make our recordings like.
You know, good for Youtube. And that's like a whole rabbit hole.
But what.
Oh, yeah, I understand. I understand that what you're saying. But I'm just amazed that there are 31.
Individuals people that that ran across this thing.
That be.
That means there's getting some spread that we weren't getting before.
Yeah.
Honestly.
They bail.
And well, the average view is 12 min and 25 seconds. So that's not bad. I mean, some people watch for quite a while, because if you look most people, they they peak around.
Bail, early. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
5 min or less. You know, they're out of here 3 min. It looks like everybody clicked off.
But if you, a couple of people, did stay to watch.
3% made it to the end, you know, or some way that can't be right.
Wow!
I don't know.
I like, I said, I'm not. I'm not an expert at this. I just thought it'd be interesting to look at. And let's look at the one for Craig's talk.
Oh, and I guess we gained one subscriber from that video.
I guess one person clicked the subscribe button on that page.
Oh, wow!
This is much more typical, I think, where we had 1.4 h of watch time on Craig's was the average view duration. So I think this is much more.
Typical from what what we're gonna get.
What was the unique on this 1? 24 unique views here.
So, yeah, so this is more.
I would say in line probably, was what.
What our other videos do.
I think we have, like a total of 81 subscribers right now.
Hmm.
How many followers do we have.
Oh, really, last time I looked at we had something like 40, some subscribers, or something like that, if I remember correctly.
Yeah.
But that was I looked at it like last year, or something like that.
The Twitter account has.
See, I only we only have 2 followers on Mastodon, but I just established that one like you know.
For Craig's.
We have 84 followers on Twitter. But what if you click on them? What you'll notice is, they are all these like porn ladies. I don't know why. They just follow.
I guess they just like follow every random account.
Or maybe something like that. I didn't do anything to solicit these or anything like that, just they're just doing it like.
If I go to. I haven't logged into this in a few weeks. So let's go to the notifications. And it's gonna be all these.
Like porn ladies are following us. So so that's.
All right.
At.
Yeah.
He knows their ladies. I guarant.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, okay, the pictures of whatever. But anyway, so that number is not real. You know, it's a lot of box. I'm sure it's a lot of bots, you know, those.
Yeah.
Instagram models or whatever. But anyway, so don't take that number too seriously.
Yeah.
But what I was trying to prove is that you know we're getting them.
It'd be real. They could be real. Because I mean, think about it. I mean, if a woman is looking for a bunch of available single.
Guys what's a male-dominated group, you know. It's like she's halfway walk down the corner bar and grab any mail she wants. That's old tech old.
So I have a question.
Go ahead. Ken.
I'm at Youtube.
I typed in Slug org.
Nothing.
That has anything to do with us.
What would I put in the search to actually find our stuff.
Could you try putting this.
Stl Linux users.
Linux Unix Users group. I don't know. Let me try.
So you put in our exact Channel name, it comes up. What if you type in this Luke.
Sloop, org.
No, that.
You get a lot of stuff about slugs.
Oh, here's 1.
So if you type in. So if you just type in slug, we're the 1, 2, 3, 4, th one down.
Doesn't leave our channel.
See so adding.org reduces.
Oh!
The usefulness of the search.
Okay, so I have a suggestion.
We.
Add something.
In here somewhere.
Where we say that.
Where we say that this stuff is primarily meant as.
An archive.
For Members.
In other words, set people's expectation. This is an archive, an archive of meetings.
For the benefit of Members and others interested in these topics.
Ache.
Just to kind of set people's expectations.
Yeah hey? Ken.
Yes.
Yeah, this.
Your problem is, put it in double quote.
In other words, making an exact search.
If you put in slug without quotes it.
Yeah, they'll give you every hit for every variation of it. But double quotes around it.
It'll give you a whole page of org.
Of ours.
Yes.
Okay.
But but Ken is right too.
We also need to do an introduction page.
No, this isn't it. Hold on! But I don't know if you've seen some Youtube channels. I think there was one I was watching just the other day that had one.
What about Jeff Gearling? Does he have one.
But but there's like this introduction video. You can do.
Cause. Sometimes when you go to a page like it'll immediately start playing like little introduction.
And Youtube was recommending, we do that. Of course, I can't find any examples right now.
Let's pulse hardware. Do it.
No.
What's that?
Well, I can't find any examples right now, but it would be cool if we did like a little introduction video that, like outside auto playing when people come to our page.
And then it would tell them, stuff like that like, Hey, we are the St. Louis Unix group, and this is an archive, for of our recordings and stuff like that. So.
Sir.
Yeah, I'm not sure if I exactly got my point across.
But.
You'd mentioned that.
The we. We don't have.
Like super slick videos for the purpose of grabbing people's attention in the first, st you know.
The 1st minute and a half.
And I think it would. It might be valuable to set people's expectations.
Appropriately. So they know that. No, that's not what you're gonna get.
Yeah.
Now I assume it.
You know you're you're you're getting our meeting.
Amazing.
Yeah, they seem to figure it out pretty quick and leave within the 1st 3 min.
Well, maybe maybe not.
I mean, if if they were expecting one kind of thing, and they and it turns out to be something else.
Then.
But if there.
Morning.
I'd I'd say I'd say the attention span of most people is about a minute and a half.
Alright!
It.
I'll drop this.
Some of the videos are longer than that.
Yeah.
No, but you have like a we would know, but you have like a minute and a half to grab somebody and like get their attention.
Yeah.
And then, yeah. And then you have to keep it right? That's the that's yeah.
But here, let's just, I'm just curious. Let's just click on this one, because this one did better than average. So let's see what the first.st
Yeah.
Let's see what the 1st 10 seconds are.
All right. This is Wednesday.
I don't know if you all can hear that, but this is just a blank screen with
Gary doing the bookend, the the beginning bookend.
For the first, st yeah.
Yeah, little while the tip wanna take a lot of time. 2024. This is the so, anyway, I don't want to take up the whole meeting. I just think that I just wanted to show.
That the web presence.
For all of our things. Meet up mastodon website, Youtube.
It's all very consistent.
And I think it's a lot better than what we had in any month before. As far as.
You know, letting people know about our group.
Cool.
I think I think the next step.
Is definitely to make this our main website.
Because what I'd like to do.
Is once we have. This is our main website. I guess we don't have to have. This is our main website to do it. But.
What I think. Then a good next step would be is, you know.
Depending on what our next topic is.
I should try to find a discord that discusses that technology.
And.
Message the moderators to see if they'll let me.
Advertise our group in the discord.
Okay.
But I really don't think that, you know, because this younger crowd, and by younger I mean, like 35 and lower, probably 30 and lower.
I don't think they're gonna be super impressed with our current.
Website.
Because you yeah. So I think might help if we had a snazier.
For me to go. It's going to be like, Hey guys.
Come, check out our cool group.
Well, the the problem is is, I don't think Gary knows what the heck we're gonna do even this month.
This is true.
Hi.
Dang it!
Just dang it!
Good.
Do? Do we have any prospects.
Remain at least, or.
Actually.
Sean, doing a good presentation on what we can do with our.
Get.
I was.
No, Gary, don't go to this
Yeah, I do want to do a presentation on Distro box.
Coming up soon. I just don't think I'm gonna have it ready for this month.
Well, I know I'm not gonna have it ready for this month, so can't help you this time.
We need all the help we can get.
Yeah, I mean at some point it it is just a.
Probably is worth a presentation of. Okay. Here's here's how.
You reorganize basically the concept of.
Web, page, cool.
Okay, so, but Bill will.
We'll push for something like getting discord.
Traffic related to it.
Upcoming when we get something.
Yeah.
Ready to go. It's a good place.
It's a little premature, I think, right now, Sean.
But it's a good idea.
Well, it just yeah. It's just. It's depends on.
It's it's we're. We're just dropping the ball on our our end. That's all there is to it.
Yeah, it just depends on what the topic is, because there's a discord out there for every different. You know, just like how there's an Irc room for every you know, back in the day there was. Now there's a discord for every.
Different topic under the sun, so.
Yeah.
But it does take work to, you know. Go in there and ask them, hey? Can I please.
Yeah.
Announce this meeting to your members. I think they might like it, and then come up with the announcement, post and all. That is, it is quite a bit of work, so I won't be doing it all the time. But
As I understand it, that you're correct, that you really have to ask permission to promote somebody else's stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, they usually have community rules or community engagement. And so you just read that. And then you can ask the Mods if if it's yeah.
Yeah.
On a.
That is.
Yeah, and.
As soon as I get a minute. I'm probably gonna join Macedon, too. What you know.
Does it? What.
Which mastered on it. You happen to join.
Let me!
Double check.
Mastodon Social.
Okay, that's the big one. From what I understand.
Yeah, that's the main one. I wanted to join Foster.
Huh!
Because that you know, free and open source software.
Yeah.
But they are invite only, and I don't know anybody to give me an invite. So.
Okay.
Let me know, Sean. I'll send you an invite.
Oh, I think it's too late now. Wait! Can you switch.
I don't know.
It, I.
I think maybe being on the big one is better for channel or for what we're gonna post, because we just want as many eyes as possible.
Cool.
Yeah, I got my invite from it. He's.
He's been on her.
Ed. Holland.
Oh, and I was. I was telling Gary.
At some point.
Grant had mentioned.
This month doing a tutorial on.
Decrypting network traffic, remotely.
I'm not sure if he's up for that, if not.
I can do a quick tutorial on fixing your.
IP tables. Firewall with chat, Gpt.
Good. So we got.
2 options there on base, moving right along.
Right, Gary.
But we got the one option.
One.
Well, one of the 2, 1 of the 2.
Sure.
Good.
And actually either one would would be nice.
And.
Something different than than.
Then part 4.
So the one option is.
Remote monitoring of network crap traffic that is encrypted.
And the other is.
Fixing your IP tables, firewall using chat gpt.
2 very good options.
Excellent.
That's the one you just projected this afternoon.
Or should it take me the rest of the 1520 min, just to.
Explain why this, how it.
Or why it worked, but.
So where are we?
Going right along with the meeting.
Let's see.
Shhh.
Shanti Ethiology.
I put I put in.
Shawn to recover you well enough on.
Yeah, I'm good. I think the only other thing about is like, what steps do we do to make the new site, the main site.
But we can talk about that later.
Okay, later, moving along.
This would be.
So I put in that
Leon Firewall, fixing with Chat Gbt. Or Grant with decrypting network traffic.
Who's going to.
Follow up!
I got.
I gotta dig into Grant.
Depending on his response. We'll know what to do when he, when he responds right.
Leave. We'll let us know.
Alright!
Then I guess the next order of business is what.
Lug.
Mainly got nothing.
Humane.
We got nothing.
Maine.
Nope, Nope, nothing.
I did the.
Reach out to Alex.
Of.
He's still.
Says he's very interested in doing things. However.
The
Is back under chem.
Is cancers returned.
And he's also.
Going into the Phd. Program. So he's got a busy month. But.
You didn't say no, so I'll talk to him some more and see.
These really saying he's willing to do a presentation.
Yeah, I'll bet, he said. He was going back into Chemo, and Chemo can knock the hell out of you one from one day after another.
That's what worries. Yeah. But.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think.
We shouldn't count on that.
Right.
Yeah, that that's gonna take.
A month, 2 months, even after he's.
Very common.
Assuming he doesn't have any serious side effects, but.
The 12.th
Chemo episode killed my brother.
Last year.
Yeah.
Yeah, a friend of mine. He's.
Well, he's refused chem.
He's already got stage 4.
And he's he's.
My, my! I have an older brother, which.
These are these, 5 of me.
I had an older brother, a stage 4 for 6 years.
No joke.
One.
Yep, it kept him alive as he got stuff out of Canada.
Wow!
But he couldn't get through here that 6 years kept him going.
Wow!
Then 5. Then finally they just wouldn't do any doing any good, and you had to go. And then he started Chemo, and then he died.
Hmm.
Yeah.
That was a different.
Different.
You're lucky if Chemo doesn't kill you.
That's it. The support is. See if we can kill the cancer before we kill you.
Yeah, yeah.
And that was a different brother than the one that died last year.
Chemo will kill you.
For us.
Yeah.
Friend of mine's got pancreatic cancer bone cancer.
He is just all fucked up. He's 85, or something like that, and.
He talked to his son and his wife and everybody, and they all decided.
I don't think I.
Do it.
You know, the doctor said. Might give him a month, maybe 2 months.
Well.
And it's probably not gonna be a fun 2 months on my mind.
My mother-in-law had pancreatic cancer.
And they treated it went away for a year.
Came back, and then it killed her.
Both her sisters had pancreatic cancer and killed them within 3 months each.
Wow!
Depends on how much longer you want to live in misery.
Yeah.
It's a good way to put it.
Well, and on a more positive note. What are the kind of options do we have for Maine?
Let's see.
Oops!
Which I.
Stop to pick up my book.
Let's see.
Let's pull up a.
Planning.
Planet, got? Pdf.
Want me to do that.
Please.
Alright. Well, I got it here, Sam.
Okay.
Share the screen.
Yeah, I was, gonna thank you.
2, 4, down.
We've been worried about page 20.
And we value.
Okay. Network shipping. Part, 3. Troubleshooting done.
What the heck is scandal. Oh.
I could talk about that if you had a base.
Basically, that's greenbone.
If we had a base. Yeah.
So that should be main instead of a base item.
This would be probably be a main.
Okay, thank you. I'll change that later on.
Well, not.
I don't know. We we I could do either way.
Oh, yeah, this goes back to the thing of I frequently think we over.
Overproduce or overplan Wednesday evenings. You know, it's like
We wind up.
Doing a meeting that goes from 6 30 till sometime after 9 o'clock frequently. And it's like, you know, we don't need to.
Yeah.
Probably.
A good solid hour presentation, 2 half hour sessions would be just wonderful, and a little bit of.
Chit chat and questions in between.
One thing I wanted to when we were going through the notes on Craig's talk.
Of.
As I say, I haven't.
I haven't listened to the recording yet.
And there was a comment there in the notes, so.
When Craig finished up.
Did he talk about? Was there something.
That he wanted to do in the future plan to do in the future.
A part, 2.
No, I don't think so. Okay.
Is, the presentation was practice for his.
Saying it
We have Rubicon, or some conference got 2 weeks.
I think it was 2 weeks after that. Okay.
Why are we?
Gary, why are we looking here.
Seeing if anything could be hot for.
Yeah. Now we at least scrolling down just to see if any of these other topics jump out.
Yeah. A lot of them are many years old.
And this is all calendar stuff, I guess.
We also can run a pdp. 11.
That was. Never mind.
Anyway. Okay.
All right. Well, we could then do.
A combination of the.
The
Let's see, we've actually got 2 possible bases down the fixing IP tables.
Using Chat Gpt.
Would be a leap.
That would be for.
Are you?
Are you trying to suggest? Do both.
Instead of a big man, have 2.
To what we consider base.
Okay.
And so I just said, sometimes I mean.
It's wonderful.
He's nice.
No, that's not. That's not what you said. You were leading up to it, though.
Yeah, yeah.
Now let me find out for sure.
There!
Yeah, the other thing I mean.
Lee mentioned that he might.
Be willing to do the
You know.
Scanning of docker.
I might be able to do a base on.
Kvm. For Beginners.
Oh, okay.
And I'm sorry you're saying you might be able to do that, Ken.
Yes, it would have to be the base, not the main, because.
I have.
Another obligation. On Wednesdays.
I could probably get away with me.
Not with missing all of it.
Might be cool.
Would you want more time? We could.
No.
And.
Good gravy, no.
Hmm.
We, we should gracefully accept anything that Ken wants to throw out. There.
Yeah.
Okay, yes, sir.
Don't push it.
Well how we can suggest. If he wanted more time we could run them for the.
Yeah, yeah.
Instead of is Wednesday that way. It wouldn't be on as Wednesday. Oh, I see what you're saying.
Okay.
Well, that's that.
That would be possible.
I suppose we don't have anything for the Thursday, either.
Correct.
I see.
Absolutely correct.
Well, I guess you could, you know.
Consider this there to.
It's.
It's gonna be pretty basic.
I am not an expert. I'm a beginner.
Yep.
I prefer the beginners because they.
That are not experts, because they put some thought into it, and they make it understandable, and they cover all the good points for our beginner to know about.
Yep.
Very true.
Well, I would say, ken the big.
Deciding decision.
Factored.
Is how badly we're crimping. I mean.
You know, in theory, doing this as a base.
Would mean you ought to be free and off the air.
By 7 PM. Is that.
Workable.
For your the rest of your evening.
Oh, yeah. 7 pm. Would be fabulous.
That doesn't seem likely, but that would be fabulous.
Yeah.
Or maybe 7, 15.
That's very workable.
Yeah. And we we almost never pull the base long in the 7 15. Or I try not to.
Do so.
Okay.
So let's leave that. Then, as the base for Wednesday.
And.
And then leave.
Is jet gbt, or what was the other thing you were thinking of?
Well, I can do the chat. Gpt. Okay. But if if Grant wants to do his.
Is session 4. On remote data of encrypted data.
We could do that, but I haven't heard from him. Apparently.
I'm just gonna put down Grantor Lee.
Okay.
Sounds good.
So.
Okay.
Yeah. Here, let me give you the share back.
What about Thursday?
Why can't I stop this.
I don't know.
There we go!
More zoom, crap.
Okay. Have you got my screen again.
Not yet.
There you go!
Oh, shit hang on a second, hey? Gary!
Right, never mind.
August 20 second, anyone.
Sorry ken I didn't follow.
I said, August 20, second, anyone.
Oh!
Gary, August 20. Anything for Luke.
Governments online. Nothing's yet not yet.
I did reach out to James last week, and I haven't heard back from him.
So I don't know if he's got.
He's got anything.
Okay.
27.th
I assume it stands, new slides will be ready.
Yeah, I think so.
Anything else to say about that of that Stan.
Stan, you're muted.
Or at least you were committed to me.
I am, I was.
Think you're muted.
The only other thing I have to say is, I'm gonna keep using zoom until.
We find a jitsu.
Saying that I can control.
Because.
Okay.
I mean, I thought I was controllable with the other one last one I used back in June, but I got.
Somebody came in and screwed up the whole session before I could even get in. There.
Oh, wow!
Yeah.
Well, keep me posted, Stan. I'm getting really irritated with Zoom.
Yeah, well.
Why are you?
At least.
And.
Because we do.
At at least.
For some reason the microphone decided to work.
He doesn't know how to use.
For.
Gordon.
Now, Gary, ask, what's your problem with Zoom when? And I and I said, Id 10.
You know what that is.
Hello!
No.
You talking to me, Lee?
Gary asks, What's your problem with Zoom was? And I said, Id 10.
It.
They're about half the time. It just don't work.
You know, it's like.
Just random failures like tonight. The microphone wouldn't work.
The 1st 3 times I logged in.
Now it seems to be working fine.
Well, you. You probably ran the right.
No, I'm I'm I'm running through a browser.
Wow. Okay.
All right.
What are we going to have? The steer meeting.
In September. That's the question.
And let's see.
Date would normally be this.
Holidays, Second.
What's this? Alright, that's gonna be right on holiday. Okay.
Alright. By the way, Grant said, defer this month.
Okay. Got too much going on. Alright.
So I'll.
I'll do the chat. Gpt thing.
Either.
So I guess ken if you're in base that give me main right.
Yes.
Looking for a Thursday. Okay? So we we can like Gary play creamy filling for an hour.
Little soft shoe dance there.
So okay,
Let's see.
Tuesday, the 3.rd
I guess we could try moving the.
Steering committee to that.
Okay by me. What you would be.
No, I got the 1st Tuesday.
Well, we could move it to a Wednesday if we had to, or move it to the previous week doesn't matter to me at all.
Yeah, what? What is.
You know, last week of August.
I think.
I think the 4th would work.
Let's do the 4.th It wouldn't be the 1st time that we've done a Wednesday.
Yeah. And and that's the way we used to run them. So yeah.
Yeah.
I won't be there.
It's okay.
Yeah? Who?
We do miss your input whenever you do show up, though.
He's aware of that. It's important.
Wendy, and we understand that you got other reasons to be other otherwise.
I mean.
Matter of fact, we appreciate anybody's opinion that the shows up here. They don't have to be.
A long time member, or anything.
All right.
Do we? I'm assuming that the rest of these dates are okay.
Yeah, we're on.
Yeah.
Or September and October.
Yeah.
If we're ready to talk about September I'm out of town on the twenty-second, so I can't do that one. But I put a presentation in the chat that I could do in September.
On any of the days.
Okay.
But it's it's a distro box versus toolbox, or something like that. So these are 2.
Technologies that allow you to basically run any Linux user land on top of whatever your.
Your current user land is.
Use this container stuff under the under the covers, and
I don't know. It seems pretty slick, so I'm trying both out, and then.
Do a comparison, and it can be.
It could be a main or it could be a base. I could do a short version or a long version.
Shh.
Whatever we need.
So that yours.
Talking about the possibility of the 11.th
Let me check my yeah, I mean, I think either one would work so far out. I don't plan that far out.
Yeah, the 11th or the 19, th either one should work for me. So whichever one.
Distro. Box versus.
Toolbox. I put it in the chat in the chat. There's links to the a couple of pages that are describing what those are.
And the names of them, and everything.
Let's see.
I wonder where the chat is.
Bottom, kick, panel, middle.
Chat.
I think we're up.
The middle of September.
Yeah.
I don't think we have.
I don't have anything to fill in any rest of that.
And Ken asked the right question, is there anything.
Calendar, but I don't see any.
Thing that I know is a calendar right now.
Other than the one we fixed.
Labor day, one.
The next holiday that could be a problem would be.
Halloween, but that doesn't come up for some time.
Okay.
Old business.
I, for one, don't want to talk about anything else.
Okay.
I don't blame you.
I mean, the only thing of importance is.
Transitions from Debian 10 to 11 on Bach.
Will.
I mean, that depends.
If we were going to talk about.
The website switch over.
That would be.
Probably be in here somewhere.
Good point.
As bulk. Upgrade right there. Boom!
Yeah.
It's not clear we have to have that done first.st
Switch, the website.
Well, since we're gonna be running code on it.
I don't think it's going to be.
Productive to try to get it running on Debian.
Wanting to upgrade to Debian 10 sometime in the near future.
Yeah, I put. So I put on what I think would be a workable solution that we could implement and like, I don't know half hour to an hour.
Where? Basically, we keep it running on that 5.
And we just point the Dns.
To it.
Alright we point the slash route, not the Dns, the.
The slash route as a redirect, or something like that.
I think this would be a workable solution that we could implement quickly.
But what I got hit back with on Steercom was people adding a bunch of extra requirements.
But then, you know, I also don't see any movement on these extra requirements. So it seems like we're.
At a standstill, or something where.
If we're not willing to do the fast solution, and nobody's willing to do the work for the longer solution. I don't. I don't really understand the path forward here.
Well, it's it's not that we don't want to do it. That.
Every time we try it we run into a stumbling block like now.
I did the upgrade on the clone.
And it killed Mailman.
Because it ripped out python, too.
I think Mike has a workaround, but.
I don't know enough about it.
To to vet.
To figure it out.
Alright, so seems like.
Since the Bach upgrade is blocked, and maybe we should do the.
The short workaround to get the website up that I talked about and.
Not?
It's either that or it's gonna be an UN. You know. Unknown amount of time.
Which I guess is fine, but.
I don't know. What do you think?
But how much are we creating the wheel?
Gonna have to do, though. Then to migrate that to well, the the biggest problem with going live with Netflix.
Netify is we lose the dev site.
You lose? What?
We lose the Dev site.
If we move, if we take the current development site and move it into production, we lose the development site.
And we don't have.
But I guess I guess, Sean, you do that most of that locally right now, right.
Yeah. So I'll when I make the update, I'm running it locally when I make the update so I can view them on my local machine.
And make sure they look good before I push them up.
And then once I you know.
So the thing that people don't understand about Astro is there's a build step. So once I push it up.
It does a build on netify, and if the build fails it doesn't push a broken site.
It just won't push the update right. If the build fails.
So there is a build step where it validates. Like all the Json data for the meetings and all that.
Oh, somebody should really tell crowd about that. Oh, never mind.
That.
Gary, you know, nobody ever tests software anymore.
It never goes wrong.
Well.
No.
Back, up.
Crowd strike got the seal of approval from micro.
That's why they rolled it out. So Microsoft's right.
I'm so impressed.
We're getting way off. Topic here.
Yeah. Okay. Never.
Never mind.
Anyway.
So, so anyway, if if
If we continue to leave Debian on. Hold. Yeah, Sean, go ahead and move forward. I guess on.
On implementing the new web stuff and.
And then we'll.
When we get ready to move we'll just to make sure it makes the transition.
That'll make any sense to me, Gary.
I mean, you know.
I don't know I'd I'd rather do it right.
Hold off until don't move on, you know, if if somebody can figure out what the heck Mike.
Solution is.
And get it documented, and you know, I mean, we'll take but a day to test it.
Maybe that's maybe that's the solution, Sean.
Let me go ahead. And I think I got one of Mike's old emails here.
Let me go ahead and bump him on this.
And see if we can't get something going here in the next few days.
Let's try something in the next 3 days.
To get.
I found that here's the message.
I put in the chat a link to the archive where I, for the short term solution, just in case. But.
Sounds like, only go that way. That's fine.
Okay.
I've mostly I mean, I think I think I message everybody about this. But I was working, you know. I don't know like.
10 or 15 HA week on the new site for like a few months there. But at this point
In, my, you know.
For me personally.
All the interesting challenges, like the web development part has been solved. I think it's pretty much like a.
Ready for a 1.0. There's tons of improvements that will continue to make, but.
I don't. From my point of view, it doesn't require 10 to 15 h worth of work per week anymore. It's just gonna require maybe an hour or 2 per month to keep the meetings loaded and.
All that so.
I've really cut back, and I've worked on other side projects now. So.
Cool.
Yeah.
That's really fantastic. Thanks, Sean.
What I'm what I'm working on now is to try to. I wanna I wanna use nix, I don't know if you guys ever heard of that. But it's like a declarative, immutable Linux. It's a relatively new one.
I'm trying to.
I'm trying to get it installed. And one of the it's, you know, it's kind of hard like, difficult to use.
I want the escape patches is these distro box and toolbox things, and let you install software from like App and Dnf and stuff like that. And that.
Containerized user land. And so.
I'm hoping I can do like a whole series of talks where it's like as I.
Just the.
Is it actually that new? Because.
Susie's had a mutable last for a couple of years. Now.
Learn these like escape hatches to Nxos. I can do talks about them. And so this district toolbox one is like the first, st the 1st one. Maybe I'll think of more ideas as I go.
No, no, nix is not new. I think it's from.
From 2016.
But to me.
But it's new to me, and it's like, you know, you have to learn the nicks programming language in order to really use it and stuff like that. So it's it's kind of a big learning curve.
So. So the question that leaps into my mind is.
If.
Using these.
Sort of extra techniques.
In order to like run other stuff on nix.
Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of next? OS. You don't need to answer that question now. I'm just saying that that's a question leaps into my mind.
Yeah, it does right it. It totally break defeats the purpose. But.
It's.
Allows me to get my work done right? So it's like, yeah, this is not really like the blessed way to do things in. Nix, but I can install the software I need and get my work done. And then, as I learn.
How to do things, you know, quote unquote way.
Okay, that's a reasonable answer.
Then I can, you know, do less and less of these escapees, you know.
Alright
Let's see. So back on the agenda.
Took care of.
Wiper wheel on there
Server, update.
Hmm.
Yeah.
I'm I'm gonna ID, Mike. I'm going to see if we can't.
Get a plan in place, so we can test it again here. In the next few days.
Anything I can do to help with that.
Not that I'm.
Anything more than decoration. At this point.
Hey, Dave, decoration helps.
Okay.
Bulk upgrade done.
Website, slew maintenance.
Jason. We take care of that issue, too.
Or at least.
Okay uploading presentations.
Anything to say about that, Stan.
Sean has been doing all that to the.
Directly, to to.
What what you know. Once I pass it to Bach. He's been uploading it from there.
Has that.
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm gonna have the migration to go. Add all of the past Youtube videos. That's probably gonna take more motivation than I have, but uploading them as we go forward, and we that one time that you shared the recording to me that was a lot better, because I I don't know about everybody else, but I have like a 2 MB.
Like Bach will only give me the files to 2 MB a second.
And that zoom link downloaded it like the whole file, and, like, you know, 10 seconds or whatever. So.
So I I think if you make me a host during the meeting, then I get that link, don't I? That we don't have to share it to me separately.
I don't know for sure.
But I can just send you the login to the account you go in there. You need.
Oh, okay, yeah, either way. I mean, it's fine. It's not a big deal, but it takes, you know, 15 min to download the the video from Bach. It's not that big a deal, but it does kinda.
And it's gonna add up. But.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, lots faster. With the account from Lee.
Well, but yeah, but then you can download it from the cloud.
Yeah.
The only problem with that is, after it takes about 45 days for it to disappear, because we've only.
5. Giga storage.
And we get a month, and maybe one or 2 meetings beyond that.
Before it starts, leading the oldest one.
Our present other social media. I don't think we need to say anything about that tonight, do we?
Shawn added.
In there.
Yeah, we do.
Yeah, I, kind of already.
Oh, okay.
Sean.
Go ken.
Sean's been working on Maston Index.
Nice.
Yeah. So so you know, just so everybody's aware here. So when I when I when I'm when we get the
You know. What I need is I need the.
Title.
The abstract and the presenter names.
That's what I need.
And then once I get that, I pass it through the AI and the AI takes that and generates.
The Youtube title, the images, the tags, the tweets.
All that stuff is generated by the AI.
And that just makes it a hundred percent easier for me to just copy and paste.
Well, the you know, the AI generates multiple choices right? And so I choose the one that I think is the best, and I tweak it a little bit to make sure it's.
You know a little bit better.
Good.
And then.
But that's a lot easier like tweaking what the AI outputs is a lot easier than trying to come up with that stuff.
Okay.
And so you know. So that that's how I do that.
And then I just post the same thing on Twitter and mast it on.
Both.
And then the same thing for the website. Whatever I put on the website, I'll put on Meetup.
And then, you know, after the meeting, I have to come back again, and I'll put the same thing on Youtube, or you know similar thing on Youtube.
So if you guys want, I have no problem handling the.
Twitter, mast it on new site, and meet up. I can do all those.
And then the Youtube, after the fact as well.
I just need to get the.
Title, abstract and presenter name, that's all I need. And the bio, if there's somebody new.
Oh, but hey, it's about 8. So I gotta head off here. But yeah, I really appreciate it. Let me know. Once we get the title and all that, and I'll go ahead and put it on site and meet up and everywhere else.
Fantastic. Thank you very much, Sean. I don't think there's anything else on the agenda that.
Got a point to make on, but
Yeah. So I think we're just about wrapping up, anyway. So cool.
Thank you, sir.
Thanks a lot, mate.
Hey! Hey! Sean! Up!
Oh, yeah.
I'm gonna go ahead, create those 2.
See names that you're talking about in the email so you can play with it.
And you know, because and until we do, the redirect.
Of the.
Host, name.
You know that you know that that will live independently, but that way you can test everything out.
That make sense.
Yeah. So you saying, site.org.
Should point to the new site. Once you do your thing.
Right.
Okay. So then I can configure the code and the netify to use that. And then once we do the redirect, then we'll be.
We'll be up and running.
Right.
Okay. And once we
You know, I have no problem maintaining the site. I like doing it. It's not a problem.
But if we want, I could do a presentation on how to add new meetings. You know I've done.
Dozens and dozens of them at this point. So it's it's down to science.
Nice.
So I could do a presentation on how to add a meeting, and how to add a presenter to the new site that way. If anybody else wants to chip in, they can.
And and also it'd be nice if we did it during a meeting recorded. And I put the reporting on Youtube, and then I could link to it, and the read me.
Okay, you know.
Anyway.
Yeah, well, and and at 1 point I think.
You mentioned in the future. Be good to have an admin page. There.
That would help somebody do that without.
You know, to simplify it.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I need to.
Yeah. Well, we'll see. That's gonna well, it depends on how much you want to automate. That's gonna be that's gonna be a lot of work right. I I don't know. I'll I'll try to. I'll think about that some more. I I'm not gonna get on anytime soon, though, but I'll I'll keep in the back my mind.
We, we will have to understand the whole process.
Regardless.
Back.
I don't. I don't know if we can explain to Stan, but at least we need to document it so.
Other people could understand it.
There you go!
Okay.
Alright, thanks a lot. Bye, bye.
Thanks guys.
Thanks.
Thanks. Shawn been great all.
Okay.
Anything else we need to touch base on here.
Organizational papers, Nope, and done handouts unless you want to jump up. I don't think done on handouts.
Nope.
Nothing's been done on sponsorships.
Recurring requirements is.
End of July. Let's see, what do we have in July?
Okay, we've got org account. Should have been automated Post office renewal automated.
We? You're nodding up and down. Yes.
What? What? Post office boxed? Yeah. Oh, that's our. It's been automated for years. Okay? Renewed.
Yeah. Yeah. I saw it was renewed. Yes.
I'm just.
I'm asking just in case anybody saw weird message. It wasn't so. Okay Missouri tax holiday that's done and gone.
Of.
She don't. In August.
New linux.org domain, renewal coming up.
I did that one, and I'm gonna do the slack one today or tomorrow. Whatever.
Okay.
Grant suggest buying 2 years once, then.
I did that. I did that on the on the new Linux one.
Okay.
Create.
Okay.
And then.
And.
That's it.
Okay. September.
Can't believe. September and October have no recurring requirements.
Weird.
I'll worry about it later.
Okay, Ricky, you guys useful.
Oh, darn! I mean Shawn pulled together a whole bunch of good stuff.
Lee had come up with some good ideas for quick talks.
Not to mention a whole lot of.
Administrative.
Says admin work.
And Ken. Thank you very much for.
Getting the
Keeping us on on target, getting back to the subjects.
Down a rabbit hole.
And Stan, as always. Just thank you for keeping things going as I go crazy.
Alright
That should be it, I think.
We all ready to go.
I.
I move that we adjourn the meeting.
Second.
All favorified us. You'll sign the reponest note. The eyes have got it hook in.
And