Yeah, it's 25 after. Let's go ahead and get started.
Time for it.
This is the, July staircom. On July 3, rd 2024.
John is up 1st since he has a Web, system the shots. Shawn, over to you.
Thanks. I'm gonna share my screen.
So that's gonna stop the share from
I can real quick.
Should be seeing it.
See it.
Yep.
Okay, so I have overall the looks of some of this stuff quite a bit And I think it looks okay.
I still don't like the colors like this background color and the header. This color this bar and stuff around here but but I've started putting that script that I showed at the last meeting.
Kind of in the practice here. And so there's, I'm still kind of working out how I wanna show.
The meeting page like this. So this is basically the home page here and it just shows and kind ofological order our meetings.
And so this is the one for this month that I was given for, from Craig to do the log.
Now this date is wrong because what I'm testing out here is, I put it to July 30 because I was testing out the zoom thing so this you see how this zoom is only on this meeting.
Right.
That's because it's today. So clicking that will take you to the. Slash next dot txt here.
So that will take you to the connection info. Likewise, if you click this read more link.
It'll take you here and put it across. I'm so I've been dealing with I've been battling so bad with these times zone issues it's crazy.
But I still have to fix this one apparently. It's saying one day too early. But at least the banner is showing up.
If we go to one of these other ones. No banner. So the banner only shows up on the day of the meeting.
Basically, or I think if you have JavaScript disabled, it will show up all the time.
But the reason why I did that was I figured it's better to show up all the time than never show up if you're a.
JavaScript disabler.
But anyway, so here's like some of the old meetings that I've been populating in like in 2021.
And so we have like the YouTube link here. It takes you straight to the YouTube video. We have the meetup link here.
Takes you straight to the meetup page. I don't know how useful that is on old meetings, but I don't know, you never know.
Then there's this read more link which takes you to the main presentation page. Up here on the top we have the meetup link And that's go ahead.
Is there a question?
I thought somebody had a question. Sorry. Yeah, meet up link in the date. And if, if the, if there's a YouTube video linked in, it'll show the.
The embed right here so you can watch the video right here. If there's no YouTube video, let me go to the one for this month.
Then what it'll do is it'll show. One of the images that the AI generated instead And right now, I have it picking a random image.
So I have the AI generate 3 images and it will pick one of them at random. And it will show it at the top.
I'm not sure if I'm gonna keep it that way. Excuse me or if I'm going to.
Like choose one that I think is the best and have it be static. I'm not sure yet.
I would suggest choose the one you think is the best and be static. Partially because Once a graphic is in use.
People have a habit of comparing that. To like the thumbnail on a video or various pages, you know, it's like I'm used to a certain book title and a color cover and when something is different I question myself.
Good point.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's neat. But dealing with people.
Yeah, I just don't like picking one. That's my problem or. I don't know. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. But see this, this is all Craig gave us, right?
Yeah.
He gave one sentence, right? I have to fill in the, I have to fill up a whole page, right?
With the one sentence. So the art definitely helps. Also, here's like a tweet that was generated by the AI as well.
Yeah.
That seems pretty good. And this is also, and you see high up with the little Linux. Fake little profile picture here of the little penguin guy and I have a whole bunch of not so clever.
Handles here that's also random so if we if I refresh the page it'll switch to different handle see I can zoom in a bit.
Okay. I like all this. My question is How does this tie into what we're currently doing?
The current presentation archive. Good
Yeah, that's the one thing that I still need to figure out is where we need to put the.
The slides and stuff. And I think I was gonna shove it down at the bottom. I don't really know.
I don't, that's the one thing I still need to put in here is the
Maybe just a link that goes to, YouTube. This all links to the YouTube presentation, the descriptions, right?
That is my understanding. I'm not sure.
So the YouTube's right here, assuming there's a video on YouTube, but it's right here in this big embed at the top.
Right.
I could that's what I thought about doing too is like putting a link to the slides and stuff like.
Yeah.
Okay, can you jump to the one of the main pages or whatever? Where it has. You know, the, the, the main group, Zoom general meeting or the St.
Louis, Linux group, any one of those main pages, the home page.
You have the like this.
No. No, no challenge. Home page first.st
Well, this is this is gonna be the I think this is the homepage. Or I guess like I could have it go to whatever the closest meeting is, I guess.
No, no, no, jump to the current.
Open. Okay.
Home page. Cause I wanna, is that what I'm, I'm gonna.
The current homepage, so I'm just hoping.
Yes, just St. Louis. Dot.
How do you want to talk to the existing website? Okay.
Dot com Yeah, exactly.
Okay, now slide on down where it starts the presentation right there. Okay, see that, where it stop, which is slew the response?
No. Yeah, presentation archives. That line right above it does click. If you do not see the thing below.
That was a, that was actually just because there was times when the thing quit working and I just added that.
That doesn't not have to be there like that. Thank you. Click here for I'm suggesting maybe click here for the YouTube.
Archives or something like that. And the jump right to what you currently have. And then maybe as it as you work it out.
We, you may, cause the only thing that I don't wanna lose is all the history that's in that.
Presentation archive list because it goes back to the 1995 or whatever.
Right, I agree.
You know, maybe at least for initially work with a combined using both of them, combined using both of them somehow or another.
Okay.
Yeah, and I think we can. I can.
Is that right? That might give me some good ideas, you know.
Yeah, yeah, and I was thinking about this I'm not exactly sure the best way to do it yet, because I don't really understand how The files are stored on
Right.
I see their stored by the year. It looks like the year slash the meeting type. And then it looks like the date of the meeting with an underscore and then some text after that.
Yeah.
Or something. And so.
It's all under. It's, you know, it's like media.
WI don't know, like my fingers, no I can't remember.
Yeah, what I was thinking, I was thinking maybe I could do like a click here for references or click here for, material or something.
And then maybe that could just take 2. Like what happens if I click on this and then I go up like up a directory.
This is a loud directory browsing here.
No, okay. Well, what I was thinking was dump them out to a directory browser that has all of the things for that one meeting.
And so each meeting would get its own folder and then I can have a link to the folder and then from there you can click on the slides or whatever you wanted.
Yeah.
But if we need to do something more fancy than that, we can.
And I was thinking about like a copy I could, I know the. Temper in the short term is gonna create like double the storage it takes up but I was thinking I could copy it to and we wouldn't need to do the videos right just the.
The slides and stuff.
I mean, like has a video go right to the YouTube.
Add to some other location. Right, the videos will be uploaded to YouTube, doesn't go on.
I think once you start working with it, you might have a good idea of how that currently stored and then that might be the better idea what possibilities are.
I would think.
Well, storage versus presentation are 2 disparate things.
Yes, yes.
Stan, or not Stan, Sean, if you go back to your proposed homepage.
Please.
Okay.
No, that one. I might be inclined. Where you have zoom meet up.
Read more, etc. I would move. Those buttons to the actual page because depending how long this page gets.
You're gonna want those things on the page for each meeting. And it's duplicating here and taking up.
Serve at a screen real estate.
This is gonna be pageated. So I was thinking about, I was gonna have 24 of these boxes on this page is what I was thinking, cause that would be one year of meetings.
And then it's going to be paginated. Like right now there's only one page.
So it doesn't show any of the fascination icons or anything. But if I had 24 of them loaded, it would show multiple pages with imagination.
So I did figure that part out so far.
Yeah, but you're also going to want. Each of those buttons on the page. For the meeting.
Right. And I do have that. So like here's the zoom button. Here's the meetup button.
The YouTube video is this gigantic you know if there's a YouTube video is this gigantic embed button here in the middle so it is in both places you're right I do think it's kind of nice to have the quick links to just go straight to it But if you don't like that, I could.
But you know, it's.
Okay. Sure enough.
Taking it out but I don't know I'm not really fan of taking it out. Action buttons.
I'm gonna throw a bunch of water on fire here. I, we've said you're fascinating with the AI generation of these graphics.
I think they're neat but they're entirely different than the 4. General graphics we have on the main pages for each of these meetings.
They're a real good advantage for using these. Now, as they being generated by the AI. Or as an or as opposed to just using the.
The 4 different graphics we used to represent each. Sponsored. And how much generation and maintenance.
We are we requiring by generating these AI graphics? They're pretty great. They're looking better.
I like that. But. I'm just asking. Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's visually interesting to have the different pictures instead of the same pictures repeating over and over again.
Yeah. Now, now will the these these release graphics show up? Strictly, and say, so we have a, you know, the YouTube channel.
Where the graphics, the AI graphics you're showing here, is that what is that what is going to be presented in the channel on YouTube?
Right, yeah, you can see the ones that I've done here. So I've only done 4 so far, but you can see the thumbnail is also the same is one of the images that
Huh.
Let's be that is generated by the AI as well and I mean if you look at our current thumbnails they you know Leave something.
Well, they're better than some of the stuff we had before them. Yeah.
I believe it. I believe it. But I just think if we got a whole page that looked something like this, it would just be.
Yeah.
Yeah. That is a positive idea, yes.
And when we're talking about like costs and maintenance and stuff like
As far as production cycles and all that on on whatever machine we have that generated. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I need to give once I load some like once I do all of 2021 I think I wanna do a presentation on how to.
Yeah.
Load a meeting into the site Probably. And it's really not that hard because there's, you know, as far as the image generation all that, it's just a Script you run it calls open AI it costs about 15 cents per run so we're looking at about 30 cents per month as far as cost so you know I don't think that's Go, so I think it's fairly
cheap, but I think it looks good compared to Yeah, it's more visually interesting than just repeating the same over and over again.
I think you're right. I think you're right.
Now, have you looked into doing anything that relates back to previous? You know way back in our history of something 2 years ago or 3 years I mean prior to what you've already done is it gonna be a big problem doing that?
Or do you know yet?
Let's see. Well, I mean, the stuff that we, I mean, I feel like the stuff that we have YouTube videos for is, Very, you know, I feel like that could be ported over here.
Okay, that's fair.
Stuff older than that. I'm gonna, yeah, I, I guess I see less benefit in it.
But we could do it.
Huh. Yeah.
If like. Stan said there's history that goes back quite ways. I think even if we don't have videos or pictures or something, if there's slides.
Go ahead.
Those presentation. Me should get a page.
Yeah, happy to, yeah, but it's, you know. Thank you.
And the past stuff, the stuff that we work on after we get the present and future going. Where we can handle it, you know.
Yeah.
Getting good, good. Feel and experience with. Going forward with this, you know, you know, this is, this is what, like, say, is 60% done now?
Okay.
Yeah.
Not quite, not quite, no. So, so I still don't have what I need to do is figure out how I can link all the stuff that our current site has like the Wiki and that page that accepts payments and the all that stuff I need to figure out a better navigation so I can link all that stuff.
And I'm just gonna do links. I don't I don't plan on redoing any of that stuff.
I'm just gonna link to it from the site because I you know, I'm not gonna
That's a good way to start, you know, and maybe later on we can. Even improve on that and then something beyond what what's your foreseeing now.
Yeah.
Technical complication in that. You're doing a web page on. A non canonical URL right now.
And you're linking back to something canonical. Once this goes live I presume it would go on the canonical URL.
Which means the pages you're linking to like if we swap out doc root or something.
Where's the content you're currently linking to? Gonna be or are you going to try to merge your effort into the existing doc route?
Yeah, I see the question. I don't really know what the link to the wiki is right now.
So it's wiki.slu.org. So I think if we assume that this site is going to take over slew.
Dot org, then wiki dot slu should still be a valid link, right? So I think that would be okay.
Right. I presume some of the other pages you just mentioned are on the primary sloop website.
Yeah, this one is resources. Presentations. Let's see, what else?
Mailing lists. Yeah, they are. That one doesn't even have the banner. Okay.
Where is that? Somewhere we accept the payment of sponsors. Yeah, so we could do a different.
Route i guess Or I don't know. I, you know, we give you, you know, there's a bunch of different ways to do it.
We could just configure Apache to host these on different. Routes or.
You know.
Oh. I'm thinking about the name. So you've got sponsors page or the presentations page.
There on www. sloop.org.
And what you're working on is ostensibly going to be the new www.org, correct?
Not in.
I think so. I'm entirely.
No, not until you get it all, figured out, I guess.
Right. So.
Okay, pretty good progress. I think it'll be a month or 2 yet.
Yeah.
And all I think is that direction. So it's. How are you going to? Integrate things is where I'm pondering at the moment.
Right, yeah. And I'm, yeah, and then there's a lot of ways to do it.
So it just, you know, whatever we thinks best.
I think it's all still good. I mean, what you doing? Bye. Beyond me.
I love it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it looks pretty good on mobile too. It's quite hard to see this over zoom but I think the mobile view looks pretty good.
Okay.
Yeah. Oh, that's, that's grand. That is excellent. The Mullen works that well.
Yeah
That is really gonna be nice.
Okay.
Say again, you cut.
I stopped hearing anybody.
I can hear you. Can you hear me?
I hear you're the Grant, I hear Grant.
Yeah, Sean cut out and I haven't heard him since.
And looks like. Oh, he muted, but screen stopped.
Sorry about that, I guess my internet died for a second there. Can you hear me?
Yeah, we can hear you again.
Yeah. Yes.
And I have no idea how much Meetup allows this to be changed. Or what they allowed to do here as far as styling, probably not that much.
But I think it'd be cool if there was a more consistent. Something or rather between this and the meetup page or maybe just snaz it up a bit to make it look a bit more
Snazzy in some way.
Good luck with that. We found over the past few years that every time we start doing something, A month or 2 later.
Yeah.
Meetup does some scary change. This message is up. I mean, one of the things that we found is that it's not a good idea to Say the Thursday, scheduled meeting going too far out because if you have to change something At one time you couldn't.
If you, tried to cancel, you couldn't replace a meeting, you had to start another meeting and, and it sent a message to everybody.
You can cancel. You know, didn't make any sense and that's changed now. But I mean, and their editor, it is a real pain, at least.
It is for Gary, but you know, Gary runs that. Chromebook piece of garbage, so I don't know.
And I, as you said, you wanted to have access to the thing. I'm all for granting you, access to change that as an editor to the meet up.
Dot com, always done in meetings. Yes, do you have a meetup? Account that we can.
Yeah, I have a meetup accounts. What is it?
For me that. They run into this stuff all at time with.
Yeah. Okay. File that's a 4 0 4 but
Yeah. Yeah.
Shaun, I would.
Really find the. Single image. Per meeting. To be a good thing and then it.
Or at least the primary image. That way we have an image on our website. It's the same image.
As the YouTube thumbnail, if there's a place for it on Meetup, it's just that visual comparison.
Yep, that's what I'm looking for when crossing ecosystems.
Yeah, that makes sense.
My meetup experience suggests that.
The Kiss Principal. Applies. Because Chuck, because Stan's observation about how They keep changing things that meet up and.
It's often the case that there's no
No obvious kind of benefit to it.
So.
Any plan that involves the use of Meetup. Should be We're only based on trying to do it as simply as possible.
Rather than Trying to make it fancy. Just because. We have no control over that environment and that environment is known to change on a regular basis for no obvious reason.
Because somebody felt like it.
As a note just recently. Wanted to change the We do have each of the 4. Bunch of meetings.
They have Yeah, they go they go into the future. And they do. And At 1 point, you could, when you did a change on a page, you could say just change this page or.
The alternative would change this pace in all future events. Well, they still have that link for change this page and all future events.
But then it it crashes. It says, can't do that. There's an error.
And then they don't tell you what the area is.
You know, and it used to work about 3 months ago. But now it does no longer work.
That's the kind of stuff we keep with Gary and I keep running into on this. On.
I can't say this. It seems like they change stuff for no obvious reasons.
What does Meetup provide? That we cannot do ourselves.
Not many people find us in there.
Yeah.
It's a draws in, draws in people. I mean, now, We normally it they keep.
Adding you saying that we get 10 or 15 maybe 20 sometimes people join you know are interested in our meetings a month.
But we sell them get more than 2 or 3 people out of that. 15 to 20 names that are provided and there are people like Jonathan Drews it pointed out he's just a strong believer that a lot of those are phony names.
And there's a lot of, I never see. Never show up. Now sometimes people show up and then they And sometimes they'll come to one.
Meeting and you never see them again. But that could be our 24 day deodorant, you know, maybe they just, you know, maybe they're not what they want, but.
It's the only. It's a it's kinda like a goodwill enterprises.
You know, people know about Goodwill. Well, people know about META. It's a good place.
You know, hang out your your your . Seal board if you would
Yeah, it's got the network effect, right? People go on meet up, they search for Linux, they find us.
Yeah.
The page looks good and links to a good looking website, you know, with a good logo and stuff.
I think it'll help even more, you know, that's what I'm hoping at least.
So speaking of, you know, Grant, you're talking about seeing the same image across everywhere. And that made me think of these logos.
So I am suck at art stuff, right? Like I've just not something I've ever done.
Or tried to do or been any good at but I did come up well I I had the AI come up with these and I had to modify them slightly because the AI didn't do that great, but I do think they are a bit better.
Than our current logos and I was just wondering is anybody going to be offended if I Go on like our YouTube and our meet up.
And I swap our existing logos. For these ones and then. If that's okay, do we have a preference for one over the other?
I like that St. Louis slug. With the penguin, but the one for the main.
And the St. Louis Union Studies group, I don't like that one. With this. Teams kind of bland actually.
Yeah. Yeah, I think you're probably right. I when I prompted the AI with was basically the St.
Yeah.
Louis arch. Where the buildings are servers. Cause I, Unix doesn't have like a mascot that I know of.
So is.
So it's kinda hard to.
Well, we do have a mascot that nobody really likes it. So we don't. We did try not to even talk about it, but it was the only one that anybody ever offered to us.
So we had it. Way back we had a contest, but you know, the, the, the, you, whatever, when you had one guy.
Generated something and gave it to this. And Yeah, whatever. But I don't like it. Nobody else did either, really.
Be on it.
So Sean, is there was there put of your instructions for the, for generating these images? It should be black and dark blue.
I, so what I told it was like, futureistic or tech something and the AI interprets that to mean dark blue and colors.
And black.
I don't know why that is, but.
To do that whenever you say tech inspired or something like that.
Okay, so, that's from default.
Okay. That answers my question.
Now I do have one nagging question I need to ask as long as Ken is here.
And are you paying for meetup.com?
It was my, it was my understanding. Yeah, once we went over like a thousand. Members or participants, subscribers in a month if the price would go up.
Yeah.
Or is this all free or does it matter? You know, and that's, and that. Because in the recent past, I've been, I've gone, I've gone in and deleted a whole bunch of names and people have never shown up at our meetings.
And they've been members from or subscribers for more than. 7 years or stuff like that.
Yeah.
Does media process anything? Question.
The website media.com.
And I think you're talking on mute.
Sorry. So the answer to your question. Stan is yes, I pay for meet up.
Deleting people who have never you know, signed up for a meeting. In, you know, more than a year is probably a fine idea.
What else do you want to know?
Okay
That covers it right there, I guess. I mean, is also is a thousand. Members subscribers is that a cut off date that costs you more money?
I don't, Mark.
That's a good question.
Also, can you quantify like order of magnitude what the cost is?
And what the difference in cost would be.
I get the impression that even meet up doesn't know right now. Okay.
Hold on, I'll see if I can find something.
Okay, so back to these images. So Sam, you think you like the right, you like the one on the right better, right?
Yeah, along with the, yeah.
Is it weird because that's SCL lug and our group is called SLUG or we don't care about that.
We don't care. Okay.
Right. I mean, well, there's so many complicated ways we have things named it doesn't make a difference, okay?
Yeah.
So you're okay if I take this one on the right and I put it like on our so like on our YouTube.
Right now we have. We have this. I mean, I like this picture. I think it's great.
I have no idea where it came from.
Really good. Let me see it. Is that let me blow it up. Okay, well anyway, I think it's a great picture, but I think that logo put that logo there.
What do you think?
Yeah. That'd be great. That'd be great. I love LED.
So.
Okay. And then. Here somewhere I'm sure there's somewhere here on meet up I could put it to like right here
Yeah.
And stuff like that if I can get the credentials.
Yeah, I'm all for giving you the credentials, but so you can. Start fiddling with this stuff.
What do you think, Lee?
Yeah, but 1st we gotta get him from Gary.
Is that here tonight?
No, I think I can turn it on. I switched Gary onto it, I think.
Okay.
Side comment on the, server graphic if you can go to it.
What if there was and I don't know if we can do it with licensing and royalties, but what if there was something alluding to.
A cardinals bird red and white. Sitting on one of the servers kind of. Looking at something.
Would bring more color to it. And we probably be much more recognizable as St.
Yeah, totally. Do you know anybody who? Do you or someone you know could do that for us?
Okay.
I can copy pasta with the best of them. But. Let's take that to discuss and we'll figure something out.
Okay, I'm not on discuss. I I don't like emails. So, but, yeah, I'll put the link to the image in the chat.
It's on the GitHub.
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, I stand you ask me what I think I like the one on the right for the log But the the one for the unix group on the left to me is just weird.
Yeah.
I don't know what those silver things are stacked up, they look like floppy drives.
I do like the idea of the user group. Names matching. If possible various places.
So I don't know if. What it would take or if it's worthwhile. For the one on the right to be.
True. Yeah.
I'm sorry. Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you, I don't. You know, I've been looking at logo for 30 years and you know, we've always had different logos for slug domain organization plus each SIG has their own logo.
So to me.
And that's the ones that appear on the home pages for. Each meeting.
Right.
So I could answer the question about. Per question about, meet up costs.
Yes.
It's roughly $200 per year. Currently.
Are we reimbursing you that?
No. And that and that's just for.
No. And you shouldn't reimburse me for that number. That's
That's your. Okay.
So that cost supports up to 3 meet ups. One of them, One of them is something else that I'm involved with.
And the 3rd one is not currently being used. So if you're gonna reimburse me, it should be somewhere.
Between, you know, It should certainly be no more than half that amount, maybe only a 3rd of that amount.
And you know possibly less depending upon your budget available.
Does your cost go up if we go over? A 1,000 subscribers on meetup or. 1,500 subscribers on.
Or do you know?
Don't know, I'll sleep where I can find out.
But it did go up to 1,004 or something before I could get to. Get around to deleting a lot of numbers.
Somebody else I had heard. That's it. The cost would go up, but I never. Nailed it down to any specifics kind of thing.
So, Yeah, I'm unverified. Thing that the costs would go up if the number of meat subscribers went up.
I'm looking at one thing.
It looks to me like it looks to me like Though I My impression is that at one time that was true.
That at the current time.
They're not enforcing that.
Zoom, there, it's. No, it's like an unlimited number of members.
For a. But my take on that is typically just that.
If you're actually trying to run a group. And you have people who don't participate. It's.
Probably a smart idea to clear that out.
Once in a while.
Now there are features on. Yeah, there are features on meet up that we don't bother with.
It's like. You know, after every meeting you have the option as a, as a,
Person that controls the group to go in and and say that they attended and didn't attend who attended.
Okay, that's a lot of extra work, you know, like.
Sure. Certainly. I mean, my
And the other group that I run, I don't bother with that. But. If I have people who have signed up for the group but who have never signed up for a meeting.
And it's been more than a year.
I feel no hesitation about leading those.
Okay.
Because
That's good.
For what ever reason. I don't really care what the reason is. It turns out that it wasn't their thing.
Yeah.
That's fine.
I don't even know if removing them from our Scription even notifies and that they've been removed.
I don't know what they even see, but you know, if they've subscribed once, they get notifications every month.
I have no idea. Because because I'm a moniker. You know, I'm not a regular.
It's a.
Right. And.
I think the answer is that it depends.
I think a lot of stuff depended on meup.com. And it and
You know, I think that if you're a member of a meetup, there's some settings that you can make.
If you are the meetup administrator. There's some, well, or at least there used to be some choices you could make about.
Yeah.
What what things people get notified about. My, my impression is that.
For normal situations where what you're doing is, you know, advertising that you're having this meeting and what the meeting is about.
No, that stuff matters. You know, you get it out there. If somebody's interested, they'll show up.
If they're not, they won't. And.
That's just how it is.
Yeah. Oh, and I wanted to point out again. It's an earlier suggestion that Sean made about how I was.
Wow, go into what amounted to the next. Instructions or whatever. And then later. Suggestion by Ed.
I've made it into the current situation. Where I put a little to learn about. You say I just put a blur about that give a 4 0 4.
You know, information is not available. Well, now I put a a little page out there that says.
You know it come back if the instructions should be posted here the day prior and so forth. I mean, you have to refresh your browser screen kind of thing.
And that seems to work a lot better.
And thanks again, Sean, for your subscription. I think initially when you made it, you probably felt like I didn't think it was a good idea, but after.
About 2 months of thinking about it I I kind of incorporated it a little bit and then with Ed Holland's adjustment.
That's the way it currently stands. So thank you for throwing out a suggestion, even though the Yeah, foggy old.
Guy on the other end is cranky and doesn't say it's a good idea right away it's because He's used to doing stuff in a certain way and doesn't really think about it till later.
Thanks again.
Okay, so I think I have a way forward. So I think what I'm gonna do is.
I'm gonna keep working on this. I'm gonna load more meetings. That we have YouTube videos uploaded for and more meetings as they come in for this month and next month.
Right.
So I'm gonna work on this by doing our upcoming meetings and then going back and loading in like all pulling 21 and then I'll start working on older ones like that.
Yeah, I like to say I didn't I didn't get around to doing the next year like I wanted to because I had a problem with that server.
I had to. Back up and replace and I'm still trying to do that and plus a lot of other things.
I haven't caught up with the things I promise to do either.
Yeah, one thing I'll do is I'll stop it from doing the random image. I'll just have it do.
The one that's on the YouTube thumbnail, cause I can only pick one there too, so.
I'll pick one that I like the best and do that. And then what I will, when I get the meet up credentials, I wanna start making.
Yeah.
It match between here and meet up a little bit, at least a little bit. Whatever I can do so once I get those I'll start working on that for this month I'm not gonna do that.
I don't think anybody goes in and looks at the historical Meetups except me and I'm porting them over to the website.
So I'm not gonna do that historically.
Yeah. Well, that's something that might be a year or 2 down the road for all I know.
Maybe never.
Yeah, so, yeah, the single image. And then what was I gonna do? I was, oh yeah, need to figure out the attachments.
So I'll figure that out somehow. I think what I'm gonna do is log in to and maybe I can start copying them over to that kind of directory like I was talking about.
I don't remember how to do directory sharing with Apache, but I think it's possible.
I just can't remember how. So I'll see if I can get that set up. To where or what does everybody think about that idea?
Let's start there. Is that okay for me to do?
I'll have the
So basically the way that I'm envisioning it is Like somewhere I would have a link that would go to a directory and inside that directory would have the slides and the Yeah, and whatever else.
From meeting. Not the videos because those are on YouTube but everything else besides the videos would be there.
Any issues of that?
The only issue is I don't fully understand what you're saying, but it's sounds like it's a good direction and it more than likely it will be.
Something that we'll like. That you know what you've done so far.
Why would you go to a directory and index even if it's a fancy directory index? Instead of links to the directly to the files from the page.
That you were on.
Okay, so here's what I was thinking. Oh, okay. So I'm trying to minimize the amount of work.
That it takes to do that and so here's what I was thinking right if there is a predictable folder structure, then what I can do is I can write some JavaScript.
That will try to access that folder. And if it can access it, then it shows the link.
To that folder. Otherwise it will hide the link. And this way we won't go ahead.
My concern with that would be every time somebody loads the page you're on in that JavaScript.
Goes and poles. Like on page load or whatever. That is gonna be. Transactions in the Apache log file.
That are not for actual. Downloads. So that might have some impact on web stats unless you can do like a head or something in your poll.
To differentiate on the back side with looking at web. Does that make sense?
I mean, I get, but does anybody look at web stats? I mean, is that even important to us that I mean, I don't see how that's important.
Well, there's, 2 things here. Your number one, we've got hit report running, but.
You know it doesn't it doesn't get that detail. The only thing I would be concerned about is if every page load requires 500 hits to the file system.
That's gonna be a big performance. Hey, big performance issue.
Yeah, and also if just the active testing if the file is there. Causes downloading the entire file.
No, no, I think we just test the directory is there, right? I would test at the directory level.
And if the directory exists, then I would show. The then I could link to the directory browsing view, right?
What
But okay, I'm open for other solutions as long as the solution is not. Shawn manually puts the path to every single.
Attachment into into the repo, right?
No, I'm Okay, I'm wondering about. Actually dropping. Meeting dot JSON file or something that could actually put.
Some of the contents in a way that is probably friendly for JavaScript. To utilize.
So you're looking to see if the directory exists like if you instead of looking for the directory.
You looked for a predictable something that JSON filed in that directory. That could be. Return data.
That is readily usable by JavaScript on the episodes page. Does that make sense?
Yeah, that does make sense, but then you're still having to create the index and put it in JSON format, which is the one trying to avoid, right?
Hey, hey, Sean. Quick plot. Grants Jason idea is a good one.
Why don't we do set up a crime job to build a JSON file every Good night.
And then you have to download one file and you know what's valid. You know, by reading the entries in the file.
I was thinking a JSON file per meeting. Like in the directory and now it sounds like you're talking about an aggregate.
Jason file. For everything. And the amount being downloaded would be different in stuff for one episode versus.
Much larger number of episodes.
Lee, why don't you, go to the command line and show this. The file structure.
Where stuff is stored.
While Lee is doing that, Sean, would you please elaborate and I am not a webmaster in any way, share perform.
But would you elaborate on what? You're wanting to do. It sounds like you're just wanting to.
Look for a flag file. And alter if something is displayed or not. Based on the flag file.
Is that a fair assessment?
Yeah, we have basically and what, Lee suggested, sounds like good idea. It'll work.
And basically what I can do is I can load the JSON, assuming it's valid. JSON, right?
There's no issues with like missing curly brace or missing quote or something. Then I can load the JSON loop over it and then plour each.
Item in the JSON, I can, you know, display a separate link, right?
So, so maybe the JSON would have like one property called name and the other property called location or something and the location would be you know the URL or at least a relative URL.
To the file. Then I could display the name, you know, as the human text and then the link would be the ATF, you know.
And I could loop over the JSON and. And do that for every meeting that wouldn't be an issue.
I feel like we're still talking. 2 different scopes of what would be contained in the JSON.
I think you and I are talking about per episode, or I'm sorry, per meeting roughly.
Whereas I took Lee's comment to be Server side. Generating a large JSON that would be encompassing multiple meetings.
Is that correctly.
Yeah, that, that was my thought.
Okay, my concern with that. Is if that is going to be downloaded client side. To dynamically alter.
A particular page. We could be looking at a proportionally large JSON file. That only one piece out of at the most.
Or one stands out of it at the most. Would apply to a given meeting. Now the counterpart would be as if that was created server side.
And. The process Sean has put together. Periodically pulls that into the pipeline and updates. The baked pages if you will.
Yeah.
This is, I feel like we're dancing around the case of like RSS. Aggregate the more things you have in it.
The bigger that RSS feed is to download. And thus more bytes of data and when we're talking JSON for multiple years.
Let's be honest, we're probably gonna be a megabyte. Or more, whereas we're probably talking a few kilobytes if it was a JSON file.
For each meeting.
So Shawn, were you thinking of? On inside JavaScript. Doing that dynamic aspect.
Or doing something in your pipeline that generates. If you will, the, page content.
Lee, I suggest you go to the storage area for these.
And in the meeting.
Oh, yeah, here's the, partition where we're saving it.
In the media.
Okay.
All I see is server, SRV.
Get going down to the media.
That's where I am.
We're not seeing that.
Do an LS stage. No.
Nope.
We don't even see your cursor in the terminal we're looking at.
Well, this is the one that shows. Let me share it again.
Okay.
Go back to your question. The reason why I want to load it dynamically and this is not.
Right.
You know, there's pros and cons each way. But you know it'd be nice if we didn't have to do a commit to the repo and a rebuild and publish and all that.
Right. And.
Because the slides got uploaded. So that's benefit to doing it dynamically.
Sure. And I am all for using technology and doing it dynamically. But that means every time somebody loads a meeting page.
They're gonna we almost need a small JSON file or flat file or whatever for that meeting.
It's because we don't want to download. Large JSON blob.
That's an aggregate of. Many ostensibly all of those blogs. On the server.
Yeah. And we could, you know, we could bypass. All this and just. Have a link to the existing presentation archive too and just like look You just have to find it, you know, search this list until you find the meeting you're looking for and then figure it out.
Like that's the other option too.
Instead of putting in instead of putting the attachments for each meeting on the meeting page, we could just have a page with all the attachments and then just have them go find it.
Yeah.
I would like the idea of having everything for a meeting on the meetings page.
Yeah, I like that too. It avoids people pawing around and just clicking on MP fours and downloads a hundred megahertz.
Why are we not seeing the directly structure here?
Okay, I this is what I shared it says Bach, SRV media down here and this is a listing of what's in there.
We are not seeing that we're
We are not seeing that.
A new I presume, window it's 0. Pine bang is the name on it.
LVL at BACK colon slash SRV. Upper left hand corner.
We're.
How about now?
No change.
No idea. Sorry.
Stop sharing and start sharing again.
Chip, now I gotta find my freaking window.
Yeah.
We need you need to click on that you need to click on that get it button the blue button
Which blue button?
I'm seeing the things that this meeting is being recorded. No, thanks, Was that need? That must be made.
I clicked on that a long time ago.
Never mind that with me. Sorry.
There we go.
Sean, I like, hey, we can we see Mastodon. And back to the terminal.
Yes, we have.
Yes.
Now you got some? Okay. Srv media.
A year
Go into the years now that Prior years were structured a little bit differently. And I had not gone back and and redone.
The presentation archive list. But I believe from 2019 on I've gone to this structure here.
Where we've got Maine and Steercom and St. Louis Linux.
We're.
If I,
Yeah.
That you know.
Okay, that would just probably type 1, 2022.
Good again.
Cap, has nothing in it.
Okay.
So, so we're leaning towards, I mean, I think it would be. So basically, all we, if we just broke this down by month, it looks like, right?
Cause right now I'm looking at like the 2021 directory. And it looks like there's everything from January to December in there.
And so if we just had a folder. Well, we wouldn't have to, but we could have a folder for each month.
And then we could put just the folders. Alright, the stuff for that meeting in that month. Or we could do a JSON file for each month.
And then the JSON file would just list the things. The files for that month. Either way, I think would work.
And.
I mentioned that we I make a motion that we have a directory. Per meeting. I don't necessarily care what the structure containing it is, but in that directory would be the JSON.
File for that meeting. Would be the slides. Whatever, etc, for that meeting.
Yeah, I like that. And then what I'd also like is if the name of the file could just be the name that you want to display.
Well.
On the website maybe maybe with like underscores replaced with spaces or something. Cause that away what we could do is the the actual link that the humans see on the website could just be like base name, right?
If we could just run a base name. On the file and we would see the human readable name and that would become the the link you know text and then that'll yeah that way we wouldn't have like come up with a new name for each file.
Like a human readable one.
Well, let me tell you what I've done. In the that year and name right there I put the exact date of the meeting.
And I put FLUG that which is
My idea was that somebody download a file, then they would know where they got it from. Besides the point that it's a video, MP 4 or parasites.
A sound file that MP or whatever. And then in the. St.
Louis, Linux users meeting. Go back up a level Lee and get out of main and go into the other directory if you would please.
Where?
Go to the St. Louis Linux.
Medium and list those. And I did that date of the meeting structure and. The essential name of the meeting.
And those are the means of how I have uploaded stuff to YouTube.
Because to me it kind of made sense at the time. I didn't know what else to do.
Cause I, I pulled down these files from Zoom. And I rename them into this structure. And the idea was to help.
They all have a date anyway. And it made sense to me to keep the keep a specific date with the meeting and whether it's at St.
Louis Linux. Item or where they receive. Slug. I.
And they're all dumped into those sub directories of that year
That's the way it's doing it now. I can adjust.
Okay.
Alright, so.
John, do you have what you need right now to keep on?
Well, yeah, the, I mean, the, so the problem is gonna be if we move these, right, or do anything to these at all, it's going to break the existing links, right?
So we can't touch these ones here. At least not without also fixing it on the main site.
So, you know.
There's a patchy magic that I have done to address this issue. There's also creating whatever new directory structure.
We end up using and link. File system links beyond symbolic or hard. From the new name and the new location to the old name and the old location.
So it's still a single.
File consuming. Space on the file system, but it's just accessible through multiple paths. That's a nuance that there's multiple ways to address.
Right.
I can make improvements. I can change. Okay.
Well, the other thing is having an abstraction between the URL that is used. And the name that's on the file system.
Means we could make. Leverage the abstraction to point to the names. Over various different times and schemes.
And not have to bulk edit things and break things.
I'm stepping away for a couple of minutes, will be back shortly.
Thank you.
Yeah, I prefer like me personally I prefer to stick with. Doing the web. Side of things. Is there anybody else who'd be willing to work on this part?
Like on the command line, writing a script create these directories or SIM links or whatever and that way I can keep focusing on the actual web part of it or.
Yeah. Why don't you and I work on that? I can certainly come up with a script.
I don't know that I have access to make changes on but we can address that or somebody else can run what I create.
Awesome, cool. So that's great. And then I'll. Once you have the JSON files, I can write the JavaScript to read those in and then dynamically link.
So, so we will be downloading. So every time somebody loads a page. We will be downloading that JSON file, right?
Cause that's how we're gonna loop over it and, you know, parse it, loop over it and And then.
I would, I would probably make just like we have 2024 0 3 21 STL Linux underscore sound.
I would probably make a 2024 0 3 21 STL Linux dot JSON. And that particular file has the details that would go in your page.
For that meeting. And it's the smallest amount to be downloaded. And should be relatively easy to do, I would think.
And you wouldn't have to loop over anything. You could just. Pull it in as an array and use it directly.
Yeah, but I think so some of the stuff's gonna be easier on the command line than it is gonna be in JavaScript.
And I'm thinking specifically of base name like getting the Like whatever you want the name to show up as on the website.
I'm anticipating that I would create. A JSON file that has. And I'm not a Jason person but I can make this happen.
Would have multiple things like meeting base. Title, blah, blah, presenters. So and so maybe if you want a link to their bio or a URL for their bio.
And pictures or whatever so it's like a name value pair. For that episode in a JSON file.
That if that file exists, it pulls in and then you have all the information broken out. Ready to use.
At least that's my understanding.
Right, I already have that, right? So that's what we get from the speakers is the T, and name.
And so I already plug that into my script and that's what, you know, the AI learns from or, you know, the AI learns from or, you know, basis all of its responses off of, you know, basis all of its responses off of.
So I already have all that. I think all this JSON file. So I already have all that.
I think all this JSON file needs to have is just what, you know, link text and then what the and then the path to the file.
I think just those 2 things is all we need.
If you send me an example of what you're wanting. I am confident we can come up with.
Making that for you for. In mass.
Excellent. Well, let me good. If you're gonna let me define the JSON and I'm just gonna do link and path.
Oh.
But I can, I can prototype that before I give it to you. That way I have something I know a hundred percent will work who knows you know.
Oh.
Right. Main only ask is that you've got 2 key values. You are interested in right now.
I want to make sure whatever JavaScript you're using if we add an additional key value to that JSON file in the future.
It does not break. The code you're creating now.
Yeah, usually, and I'm saying usually here, not always, usually. Additional field so just ignored
Yeah, so I think as we're testing things, we should create a New super special field. With hey guys type thing and make sure that your code is okay with fields in there that it's not using.
Sounds good.
That seems like a simple test.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so what I'll do is I'll create a couple of sample JSON and here somewhere or like one or 2 or 3.
And then I'll make sure that my script can read those and assuming it can and I'll say I'll let you know where those are at and then you can.
Scripted up to generate those for all the other folders
Okay.
Alright, got a plan. Alright, I'll start working on that literally tomorrow. I'm gonna have some time.
So.
When do you think you might be ready for me to spoke things with a stick. I'm not pushing, I'm just trying to allocate my time in the coming.
Days, weeks type thing.
Yeah, no rush. Monday, maybe. I can't imagine I won't have time over the whole weekend to get this.
So.
Fair enough.
But I mean, I'll send it to you as soon as I got it, but I wouldn't expect at least by Monday.
Okay.
Cool, and, maybe we can keep this, you know, on system in, so everybody else can follow what you're doing, Sean.
Oh, okay.
Have a, I'm only last year, so. It'd be Steercom or individual email. I just, I don't like you. I do email all day at work.
I don't like doing it in my personal
I hear you. Okay.
I am email heavy. But I'm an old dog willing to learn new tricks. If you're get centric.
I'm also willing to. And subscribe to whatever I need to with my. Alright, is it GitHub account?
And I can. Try some things there if that works better for you. I'll probably need some primer making it happen or a pointer to go watch this.
Prior talk.
Bye.
That's okay. Yeah, we don't have to. I mean for this, I mean, we could put it in the repo, the script, but it doesn't have to.
Right.
I think probably just just email but probably just maybe just direct point to point or on steercom or something.
Look.
I just don't like joining list to get like 10 emails a day or even 2 emails a day.
So.
Let's keep the. Spice blend for the Italian sausage in direct email and when we have a batch ready to produce and sell, then we can announce it on.
Sis-admin or Steercom, whichever one you prefer.
Nice. Yeah, great plan.
Alright, so Shawn.
I'll send you my email on the direct message.
Cool.
Alright, so. I guess we got the web stuff done. So that's what else we have to cover this but by the way Gary just called me a little while ago and he's listening in.
Say hello Gary. Hello.
Hello, Gary.
Hi, Gary.
Hello again.
Alright, no, it's an old girl, but it worked.
And looks like. No, I'll like it. Thank you. Thank you.
Or Zoom doesn't like it too well, Gary, the speaker phone over a microphone. If the transcription isn't catching it, but anyway.
Can.
Thank you for volunteering for everything, Gary. We appreciate it.
Oh!
Last time Gary did a presentation, it was him and Rich S and they talked about And the multiple different ways of creating a file from from scratch.
And they listed about 15 different applications that had a feature to create a file. Net was about what, 15 years ago?
Or.
Hey, it was before we had projectors and it was all done on a whiteboard. Not a whiteboard.
Good.
It, it was that paper stuff, the big clip pop papers.
Yeah.
We didn't even have a projector.
Oh boy. Alright, so what do we need to finish? What do we need to?
I think we've been, yeah, everybody's been following. Craig is confirmed for love.
We've got a topic. We've got an old bio. Grant, I will be assisting.
For, Tutorial next week. On remote data capture. It's an interesting process.
Right now we don't have a main. Unless Gary has conjured something up from his jail. Okay.
I proposed a grant that we actually do a live troubleshooting session. After the tutorial.
And actually attempt to diagnose a problem on, on a remote server that I manage. Where the server is a Zen server with 2 Windows 10 VMs.
And when Firewall D is running. The VMs cannot pull DNS. Hello. When firewall B is is stopped.
Everything's fine. But then some Windows workstations can't find their file shares.
Okay, so anyway.
Clarification the I guess base I was planning on for next week. It was the intermission on, here's how you configure.
Your system to more securely. Do the remote filtering. I'm sorry, remote capture.
Right. And then we'll actually, you know, set it up. After the talk and work through it and you and I can work out the details.
You're on the next, you know, wherever you have time.
Okay, I'm in bachelor mode for the next few days. So.
Cool.
Are, are you talking about this is what we're going to do for the main meeting, a base and jump into the live session thing.
Right.
My understanding is I have, like a 8 slide deck of sorts that I was going to go over.
For base. There was an intro and outro. Quick recap and then basically 3 things that you need to do and once you have done that you are in a much better position to do.
Remote packet captures securely you don't have to log in as route you don't have to use passwords and various other things.
Okay, I suggest that even though we might call this base that it could go well longer than 35 min, so.
50 min or hour and a half. And so you have equal time between this. Normally we call a base and whatever we do after that.
Aaron.
So time is not going to be mailed down to the restricted.
Whatever you need to do to get that across to whoever shows up. I think that you have all the time in the world.
Okay, I did create the slides the commands are considerably more verbose. Like I set a variable called SSH key length and you put how many bits.
Right.
S. NAME. The name, remote account.
So when it's actually the SSH, and it's really long and gnarly.
It's like flag. Variable name, key bits. Comment or and it makes it much more intuitive.
I think if you're trying to extrapolate pieces out of it.
Okay. So I mean we don't have to call it base in main we can call it.
Class and application. Or anything. Yeah.
You
Yeah, we're just listed under the base section as class. And then the main will just to follow on.
Okay.
Whatever. We'll come up in maze later. But we have to leave it under those categories so that.
Some of the stuff that it's got that Sean has already done. Would continue to work.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna say change category. I'm saying change the name. The
Actually.
Yeah, yeah, that's it. I understand.
Okay. What else?
John, were you starting to say something?
Hey, at one time we set up poll for social media to look for the words base and main so we We're gonna screw that up.
No, no, the title will still be there, but the descriptions will reflect the fact that basis as the class and main is the exercise slash demonstration.
Okay.
Kind of like the base is here's quickly how you would do something. Maine is here's why you want to do it to deal with this problem that we're diving into in 30 seconds type thing.
And this is what we ran into and we fix it. etc, etc.
Shawn, time reminder, I think you said you had a hard stop.
Yeah, appreciate that. I gotta head out. Thanks all.
Hey, that was great.
Take care.
Okay.
Now, what else we have to cover? Right. Great.
I have something to add. Stan, you've kind of. Made some noise about wanting help with the Google Calendar and the likes.
Yeah.
Feel free to reach out if you think I can help.
Okay, you have a Google account I take it.
Unfortunately, yes.
Okay, I can grant you access on that and then you know we can go over what to do with it.
Okay.
Yes. As far as the rest of the meeting here, there's so. If we wanna go the normal flow and go through the review and the, and the reports for the description and the calendar numbers and all that kind of stuff.
Or did I kind of get the idea that legally suggesting that we only do the very essential when get out of Dodge.
Well, since Gary is kind of limited on communication, then.
Okay.
He's always limited on communication. What are you talking about?
See.
Is Zoom ability to call a phone number that Gary is at so he's more directly LinkedIn.
No, he would have to call in, but that would mean he get the invite on his phone and I don't I don't know if that's an option.
Whatever. What I'm asking it.
So what's what's the main for the July 10? th
Well, the base was. How to connect to a remote machine.
Right, Grant doing remote data capture. I got that part. I was asking about the other part of it.
Right. And then the main is a live troubleshooting session. Capturing data on a remote machine to troubleshoot a specific problem.
So the base is translating to theory. And the main is translating to the application of said theory.
How to and then do it.
Okay, don't have to do it. Do it.
Yeah, I got it.
I see just somebody go to the wiki.
You know, me to share.
Yes, please.
Give me a moment.
Rearranging windows, etc.
You
And menu bar off. Okay.
Sure screen and I would actually like to share a window. I think that's what I want. Okay, do you see the wiki?
Yes. Thank you.
Yes.
You want me to make it bigger or smaller
It's fine to me.
Yeah, but 1 point wants just for back of it.
There you go.
Okay. Okay. Alright. I will navigate if somebody will give me or I will steer if somebody will tell me where to go.
Carefully statements like that.
So down. We start. Yeah.
Yeah. I will consider going where people tell me to.
Keep on trucking.
He
For Treasury report. Treasury report. Thank you numbers. Lee, did you put the numbers?
That's current for June.
Okay, they ground the bottom of the calendar report.
Around the
Is that what you want to see?
Yeah, at 3 36 was the count for the end of June. My calendar. That's the number.
I did. I didn't just make that up. I actually went out and calculated it. Okay, next report.
Let me see. Subscriber report go on down the
Right.
24.
Sorry, new operator.
That's okay. Those are the numbers for June. Meet up with 9.th It may, it hailed out a thousand 4.
I threw a bunch of people off, got it down to a bunch and it's, and the June it went back up to 9 27.
Announced 4 66. Discuss. Just to some changes, one each way. Here come 2 24.
Picked up a name that I didn't recognize. Whatever. It's just the admin, stay at 21.
Okay.
They go down the next standard. Dependence Report. So down to 2024.
These are the numbers for June. It's 4 slack is 11. It's, 2, 23. St.
Louis Linux is 16. A new lug. I had significant problems. They'll address that later.
Essentially with there was no meeting. Which amounts to I'm going to unfortunately in my opinion I'm going to stop using.
And start using Zoom for the meetings because I can't control. Who becomes the administrator for gifting meetings unless we have a Unless I have a Hey, 50 server that we completely control.
Just so that's true. Bottom line on that.
It would it be worth us? Boasting, ourselves.
We tried to do that 4 years ago and it never worked right.
Well, I have a habit of making things work that other people don't. If there's, let me know.
Yeah.
I mean, I would love it if we did. Well, that was 4 years ago. They've improved their documentation considerably.
Although I think they're website. It's a lot better than it used to be. But they have a every 2 weeks they have a call for help or they call it the call meeting.
And they, they invite comments and questions and things like that made before the 1st part of the meeting they have their.
Volunteers talk about what they're working on and what they so forth and so on. And then people can ask questions.
In the past, people have asked specific questions on how to make such and such work. All, you know, I don't know.
I didn't do, I did not do what Lee did. I have no idea how much it's changed.
You know, I would love it if we had our own. Thing but I don't know how much bandwidth.
Hosting that would take up and anything else.
Well, I was hosting it on a on a. We am up in Chicago, so it was on the backbone.
The biggest problem we had was getting the shops that are getting all the functionality to working. There were so many moving parts.
That it was just almost impossible to get them linked together. Ken was helping out. When we set it up.
You know, but it We never could get, we could never get everything to work same time.
Back then they did not even have a diagram of what the health tied into what. You had to.
Yeah. Hey, Ken, are you still using, You had it set up for somebody else, I think, didn't you?
So the answer that is.
For a personal basis. On a personal basis. I've used the public chi servers.
Okay.
That seems to work pretty well. Most of the time. . But I'm not publicly advertising the link to the meeting.
Right, that's the big difference. I have personally used the between myself and 2 or 3 other people, but that's because I can immediately give them a link name and then they can go in and it's not like us broadcasting a link name the day before.
There's something like, you know, or that day. On our web page because I can't control keeping.
The moderation. The administration to myself. The 1st guy in becomes a moderator. Everything I've touched.
Do sounds like there's some history that's worth knowing. Should we start a thread about?
Jy on sis admin.
Or steercom.
You know. I'm not, I think. I actually think that.
Okay.
The amount of history worth knowing is fairly minimal. Because of the fact that it has changed so much. Since we started using it 1st in 2020.
My biggest interest is what problems like usability problems. Did you all run into like the 1st person in becomes MoD type thing?
To make sure that whatever we. Try we address those prior.
Lately, that's the only problem I've run across, period.
Okay.
Yeah, the biggest problem we had with our private hosting is the fact that after 10 or 12 people it, people would just stop working randomly.
So the only problem that I've run into recently. Is that
People who aren't using Chrome.
Sometimes have. Slightly unpredictable results.
Well, they've still got the. The app, right?
You know I haven't steered anybody in that direction.
Okay.
And honestly, I'm not sure that I want to.
You know.
Pro mostly, I guess, because I don't trust conferencing apps.
Back in 2020 I had somebody install Zoom on their computer.
And we had reload windows.
Okay.
And no, having that. For that person something other than Windows wasn't an option. So.
The electron thing may work really well. But it's not something I've experimented with and for my purposes I am
I'm just reluctant. Because some of the time, so for example,
I'm often in a conference with somebody who is running safari on a Mac.
Which you know. That's, you know, that's their choice.
But in the past, the least it often seemed to have slightly.
Slightly unusual interactions with Gitzy and then maybe either that's been since been fixed with either at the gypsy end or at this far end.
Both gypsy and browsers tend to be moving targets.
And honestly, I have not looked for, you know, all the possibilities that worked. You know, I've been more along the lines of.
Oh, this works. I don't wanna spend any more time on it than I have to. We're gonna go with this.
Right.
And I have and I have been in a conference recently recently with somebody who
Was using a Mac and they had no problems. But.
They're a super competent computer user.
You know, they run a networking lab.
So I'm sure that You know, they've been, they've been using, enough that.
Hmm
They found out whatever it is they have to do to make it work for them and then when they're in a conference with me they just do that.
You know, it's the people who aren't. You know, at that level. Where it's more of an issue.
I've been using it for the last 6 months with quite a few people. Hey, beginners and I have a couple.
Of people that a chant, and those beginner type meetings. Like Sean has gone, come to a few of them.
Ron BC, the guy from Canada. And Tony see and those 3 guys are you know pretty competent programmers in, They, they help out in answering questions with.
The new users and I have not. In the last 6 months found any. Real problem with using the jitty at all other than the fact that like Can't control who becomes might or moderator.
Right.
And in the past. With the public
Start out gypsy, so deep.jet.si think is. You have the 1st guy in.
Passes sign up. With credentials from meet up or GitHub or another side I can't think of.
Google.
Google, yeah. And I've done that and that's a pain in the ass. And I started using, and a couple of them that have that you don't need to do that.
Matter of fact, I started using over the last 3 meetings. The free software foundation.org.
There's service and to the and I actually joined the as an associate member because I figured to help pay for that service that's the 1st thing I've one of the 1st things I subscribed to in the last 20 years.
And, but I think that they don't have their configuration profit. Something properly set up.
And that may have been part of the problem, I can't tell. Because later on the next day I tried connecting and had absolutely no problem at all.
I think what the issue was that somebody came in first.st And inadvertently. or on purpose, I can't tell, may have.
Locked everybody out by setting up a what they call at a meeting, an entrance room.
And, and I couldn't get in. I get in, I saw the guy, I tried to communicate with him by a text message and I think that possibly he came in, you know, an hour or 2 earlier and just left it run.
And or he may have payment in the days before and I do know for a fact that you can start these meetings up to 2524 h earlier.
But anything beyond that, it is problematic. And he may have. Connected the day prior. And let's see if it's 1st in.
He became the moderate. And if he did not disconnect. If he's within more than 24 h.
20 some hours it it That's when the problem start. That's a possibility. I've decided to start using just the the Zoom, video conferencing instead from here on out until unless.
We had a, a private jiffy set up that we could control.
Period. Makes me
Okay. I mean
I would love it if we set one up. I would.
You know, you're the guy doing the work on running those meetings. I don't argue.
Yeah. And. And, and it's true the, We met guys have more problems than others.
But the solution generally is there has been in the recent past is just disconnect and reconnect. Period.
Yeah, that seems to be, unfortunately that seems to, it works 90% of the time to clear up the problem.
In the past, their was a period about a year ago If any one person. Okay, in with using Firefox is not a problem.
If you had 2 people come in with Firefox. It would start doing random problems and start randomly kicking people off the system.
Like that apparently, supposedly, had been fixed. Yeah, no way it is to verify that. Cause there's no way I can tell.
What kind of browser somebody is using unless I ask? I don't always think that.
But that's that's not really that relevant. Because that, you know.
Alright, so.
Yeah, there has been.
Well, needing to be rude. We need to say on this.
No, no, I'm just letting everybody know that I'm. Moving on to Zoom.
Alright, what else do we need to cover?
Meeting review comments.
Yeah. Further down, I may have made a comment on Slack meeting.
No, nothing particularly on this Slack meeting for The next well actually. Okay. I've been telling people because of the holiday we're gonna move it to Slack, meeting the 5 July and Nothing else.
Next, next thing down is. The presentation was done. That was. The thing part 2 that Grant and Lee did.
Somebody carried a comment on that. I thought was great. And it's good reference. And I plan on going back and reviewing the material.
Couple.
I think it was fun look for it looking forward to the one next week.
Yeah, they, the general meeting, the, the main thing that was down with. Got, the thing on social media for techies.
I would.
Lee, you're new to the Fed ofverse. Do you have any initial thoughts? I'm very happy with it.
I think it's a great. Way, but you know, for my 1st thing is There's some configuration issues that are just.
Because I don't, I don't want to put an app on my machine, but when I go on the website every time I open it's always at the most current post.
I don't want the current one I want the last one i i saw. And that's a big problem.
The other one is about 3 quarters of people I want to follow aren't on the
Yeah. Thank you.
So I've started using. Twitter, you know, I keep my Twitter account just because You know, granted on July 1st I had to block about a hundred people which was a pain but Apparently they change something or whatever.
But I use that for the people I wanna, I wanna. You know, like vendors and that I wanna follow.
Yeah.
And then I'm gradually expanding the. Mastodon for the people I want to follow.
Like, Michael Lucas, who is a very a verbose person.
Yes, he is. Very opinionated too. And he will happily tell you what your opinion is wrong.
I guess there's a good I don't talk very much.
Yeah.
It's.
Go on, all like, oh, we think that Scott's presentation was helpful, yes or no.
I think it was.
Yeah. Yeah.
It actually got me to. Set it up. So I think that was a good result.
I think it maybe just like you said a configuration issue that you're having and the question is where do you go to change that?
Okay.
I wound up on on discord and same kind of thing.
Well, yeah, discord, I love. Because there's 4 or 5 sites that follow, including arch reactor.
Right.
And I mean, that worked great. But universe. According to Scott, you can't set. Your opening point.
On a website. I have to have an app to do that. Which mean, I probably won't be able to do it.
Yeah.
I just made a note for myself to find out. If there is a bastard on or other fedaverse.
Incarnation that has an option. For on the server remembering where you were. So hypotheticalically, Lee.
If there was a server you could log in to that remembered where you were in the web client. Would you be more interested?
That would certainly remove one of the barriers.
Okay.
But I guess the conclusion on the other problem is a lot of social idiots. And as well as companies.
I have no clue what the Fed is. So.
Yeah.
They're never going to be there.
The question is, do you want them to be?
Do they wanna be?
Do you want them to be?
I had pretty good look. On Twitter historically. Calling out. Amazon or Fedex or somebody like that.
When prior channels did not get any traction.
Okay.
Scroll. Okay.
Moving on. Thing.
Comments for June were there.
Let me.
I mean, I mean, go down to the end there. Okay, that the presentation was Got, I don't even remember.
I'm sorry, I didn't read that. Can you go up 2 lines? Yeah, the presentation was the devian upgrades were.
For. That was good, Lee. That was really good. I'm going to plan on That's a good reference thing.
Sure.
They go back to. And I had enough time. I thought it was a great. Great thing if you did that.
And I assume that next week is going to be kind of the same thing with the base stuff that Grant doing and, and etc.
One thing I would like to see. Once we get to the new. Page per meeting type thing.
Not only slide decks on it, but. The ability to have. The commands that were run, what have you.
In a format that you can copy and paste. And here's what we did. Recap type thing.
Sounds like a volunteer item, doesn't it?
Thank you for volunteering.
Yeah.
Yeah. Does that mean I have to actually watch?
Well, it helps.
Moving right along. Okay, this is further down. Yeah, and car blocked out there. That describes the problem I had and what I did, etc.
And that meeting was a failure. Multitude problem. And issues I thought. And I kind of gave on it that day.
Bye.
And, Anyway, and Right there remembering that there was already someone in this session when I 1st joined.
I think that was the key problem. And it could have been any number of ways that, that was him screwing it up.
Either on purpose or by accident.
And, like I said, it's the Cree Software Foundation or Diffy Service where you don't have to go through Google or or Amazon or, get torrent or not.
GitHub or the other thing. And I tried to connect you next day and there was no problem at all.
Oh.
And the other possibility that it could have been their server was down or having issues. And there was no way that I've been able or that following date or contact and find out if there was an issue or you know.
I don't know. Regardless, I'm gonna move to start using Zoom for the meeting.
Thank you. That's enough on that. Yeah. Yeah.
They'll say thank you for trying. I'm fighting the fight, even though the battle was.
Not as desired.
Yeah. Yeah. But, like, like I said, you know, it works great except for that one issue that's far as I'm concerned.
That's the only issue.
And it may be that the 3 Software Foundation may have got their configuration screwed up or their server could have been screwed up or You know, no way I can tell.
Maybe they did an OS update.
Would be, you know, hard to pay. But I've pretty much resolved that. The next future I'm just gonna keep using Zoom because
There's no problem with it.
Other than I don't like it. Yeah. I would rather use the open source. Thank you.
Fair enough.
We, you know, the next thing down, it's just, here come meeting today.
Holiday, I move the Slack meeting to 5.th It's already been instructions have gone out.
The on the 4th of July, I will post the. I will set up the zoom. Information.
I'll post it up on a website in the balling day that morning. As I normally do, throw out the.
Well, previous day I do that, send it to discuss, could have on the website. And the following day in the morning I came out to announce.
And then you'll have a great meeting.
And so we've already talked about what the main and. And the base thing are gonna be. And then the state notice Linux is going to be Craig.
And, and the new Linux. Planning to use Zoom.
Me that it could make changes across multiple meetings. It just gave one error. Requesting correction without giving any any intelligent clue as to how or what was being an error.
Instructions for every future meeting. Will have to be corrected. This point is only able to correct one meeting at a time.
That's 1 of those random, they don't do it that way anymore kind of thing that you're prevalent.
It's a meetup.com. So good luck to Sean. On making anything work better.
They working. And those are just debates for all this coming up.
Any comment? September dates coming up.
And I don't have any other. Comments. Server admin, the only thing is the.
And a life. It's 30 June. We're not longer getting any should. Likely no longer get any security updates on box so we got a
Take care of business.
Move it on up.
Any other comments?
And that gets us into the box upgrade thing. Logging along and the life was 1030.th
Care if you do any kind of update or. At this point.
Me?
Not yet. I think we're getting mired in. What I found out yesterday was.
The biggest problem Boeing has right now. Nobody can make a decision or do anything.
Yeah, I have to travel with all these elephants. At a high level and takes the 18 months to produce anything.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I need to.
Okay.
Step away for a moment. Do you want me to scroll somewhere? First, st so you can keep talking.
Oh, I think we're almost down, are we?
Almost. Website, slug maintenance, further up to. The live 3rd comment.
Yeah, I ran across the utility process that could be configured to log reading of individual files. So.
Cause at this point we don't know if anybody We have do not have account of anybody how anybody looks at the within our archive.
No, I, no clue.
Well, that would be in the web server access logs.
Yeah, but very few people don't know can interpret that. I had installed hit report. 15 years ago.
Basic information about who's that who's who's been there and and what and where they're coming from.
But we don't have any word near the detail information that would show us individual file hits.
Yeah.
What open a thread about that on sis admin? I think there are some options.
Yeah, there's a utility process that I ran across the a video that explained how to use it's a it's specifically for tracking individual reads and rights to file.
That would, so we could set it up and I believe it. What I saw it would, it would.
It would, record anything that was in any, sub-directories, directly from subdirectories that might work.
I've got to do some research. I can, unfortunately I can't remember the down name of it.
I'm just I can't remember what I had breakfast at this point.
Yeah, we probably wanna do that in a web server though because that would give us the who information as well as account.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
Are you interested in?
Well, my interest is. I'm uploading all these videos and I don't know if anybody in watching the damn things.
Good.
Yeah.
Are we doing all this work? If for how many people? You know, every once in while some guy come across and he'll say, oh, I've looked at all this and it's great stuff.
But, you know, You know, we don't don't get a lot of feedback. We do occasionally and it's kind of nice that we do.
But is it worth the effort that I'm putting into it? You know, I mean, you guys aren't even paying me minimum wage, you know.
Can I have a rate?
Right.
Oh, what do you mean twice as 0? Is there a still 0?
Wonder if you've got a man in tonight, but I didn't hear a chance to put on the agenda is the And this gets back so what are we saying we should ask for anybody to watch videos I was going to offer.
Are the video of the rust 1 0 1 talk of like, years ago. Turns out that was the Let's talk for the rough fruit and family was dead.
And then after that it's on folded readings. Kindly. Their decision. And, so few people ask, are we gonna do anything together again?
Nothing happened. Well, some of you guys came to town. About 6 months ago, ever going to group was like, oh, such's been a wonderful idea.
I don't like what I'm going to be. Okay, and so eventually he found out that New York organization was getting an action.
So the offer could be the organizer and so he' out. Cancel the heating. This week, actually.
Oh, and that'll be their 1st meetings and so we started. Okay.
Oh, I thought you schedule it for tonight.
Was this for tonight?
Yeah, that's the way it usually works, didn't it?
Yeah, So anyway, I was just going to send him a note offline. And point out to him that, Last meeting was the restaurant at one thought that we And then what we're supposed to do, Russ 1 0 2 and it never happened.
And, so 1st off, I was going to offer them, hey, if you want to look at your last meetings in West funnel one.
In our archive, we look at it and, and I was hoping that, I can interest him.
And, and I was hoping that, I can interest him in perhaps doing some other.
IT like me. We'll host it with us.
I know I've got go back before that we don't have that many wheels. Computer users, but they don't do that much programming.
Certainly not rough. I figure, page that is the new language of Linux. We have
I'd like to kind of encourage them to maybe work for this.
Yeah, I'd kinda like to learn more about work. Check it out.
Moving to the next.
Okay, please find out that the rest 100, and one video exist in our library and we'll see where it goes from there.
Let's go to the next standard. meetup.com maintenance.
Away from this computer.
Oh, that's right. I forgot. Alright. Yeah.
Yeah, like to point out that the Anybody here would like to go back and fill out the comments for tonight's meeting that would be
For uploading presentations. I did not upstart uploading the presentations to YouTube like I admit to.
Because I had to spend more time on replacing my secondary desktop machine, which is important because that's the one that I rely on for.
A number of things and in case my main laptop was to die. And, also, wrote here, een has done quite a bit, work dealing with providing methods improving that YouTube narrative as she demonstrated.
Forth earlier. And
The 1st part of the video recording. And it all relates around having this jinky, and more, searchable descriptions on YouTube and in relation to our website.
And I almost skipped over that uploading presentation. And. Well, I did. Grant being, Yeah.
Yes, I'm back.
Grant back. Okay, which slide, up to the bottom and then. Thank you. There's some comments that I've on now.
You know, adjusting. You know, I reduced the count again, the 2 90, 97, a lot of unrecognized names and did some modification of Slack and new Linux, standards to change from using, zoom.
My attention, remote video service and. I did it on the next meeting and then I wanna do that on all the subsequent meetings.
They just gave me an error requesting correction without giving in any and, clue as to what the error was or how to make a correction.
Yes, instructions for every piece your meeting will have to be corrected. It is only able to correct one meeting at a time.
It's a real pleasant thing. And Sean has offered to explore joining. The the AI traffic process that he's working on with meet up and he needs an editor and moderator access and we, editor and moderator access and we agreed earlier during this talk on that.
And sense of us to do that. I'll do that later. I think I'll be able to do that.
Any other comments on that?
Any other comments on? Oh, in that presence on other social media, yet. I'm on or Twitter or Excellent.
I'm a fan of mastodon fedaverse, but I don't know that we're anywhere near.
Standing up an instance even doesn't seem like there's enough consensus to go that route yet.
Do we guess, have to stand up and just join an existing
We can join an existing one, although I. Really believe in hosting things yourself if possible.
Yeah, it'd be nice to have a Unix. With that.
Or just. You are. You're username, sloop.org type thing.
Okay.
It's something about.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
No comments that I know of about the announcement. It still works. Nothing new.
Is it worth sending a message to announce? Mentioning the change from, to zoom. Is that big enough or is that just
It'll just be in the announcement to the next meeting that will have that link to Zoom instead of, and I don't think that that link to Zoom instead of GitHub.
And I don't think that otherwise. Anybody will only care.
Okay.
And actually I hadn't thought that it was worthwhile or necessary. Just announced that ahead of time.
Okay, this is what I'm gonna start doing.
It might be nice to send that out. Because unless the web presence works very, very, very, very smooth.
Okay.
You know, TV stuff can be interesting and people might want opportunity to test some things before the meeting.
I know it's the half hour beforehand. Or make sure your audio works type thing.
Well, it's all included in in the instructions anyway. Bye. And then the next meeting is gonna be Friday.
There.
So I'll send something out. Tomorrow. Sometime during the 4.th I'm not playing with biotech, there's sort of barbecue.
My goodness, they. Subtitling on this, meeting, and, like, stocks tonight.
No kidding.
Okay.
This stands at camera, microphone, and projectors. No comment, you know, no changes.
As far as I know.
Okay. Okay.
And even.
Is that Gary trying to say something in the background?
He's always trying to take something.
Got some background noise on there.
I'm sorry, I should kill that again.
And it's database. Working fine. I do it after every meeting. It was kind of.
Heartbreaking to put down a 0 count where actually I didn't put anything down because Yeah. You know.
Whatever.
Yeah.
Is that? Who attended? Is it public or private?
It's public. It's on if you go to this tiercom web page go down to the You can pull the actual lever office database and run it.
And the. Not, it's not a report, but it's a, so, I think is the thing above the report.
It'll, it'll give you a listing of. Just a total count by meeting dates or it'll actually give you all the name.
People that actually attended. And the purpose of that is for next year's election to validate somebody.
Having 2 meetings that authorizes them to vote.
There. I'm just wondering about. Any privacy implications of that being. Public.
I try to remember every meeting you say that I'm recording with anonymous coward.
Although I will not post the anonymous coward recording. Anybody at the meeting can be recording it.
Right.
Period. So, I mean, what? What other kind of what privacy issue could they possibly be?
Well, I'm in day job and various other things prior years. Making that attendees name or handle.
Available might have some implications in some places. Just. You know the 10 pound hammer for the fly is GDPR.
So.
Hi, I, I've only, I've had one guy that was really upset.
Because he had somebody called Coward recording the meeting. And he left.
Okay.
That's fine.
You know, what the hell, you know? It's like, you know, it's not like they recording guy said, and, NSA agent or anything like that.
I mean.
Yeah, probably just that it was being I would assume it was more that it was being recorded, not the name of who was recording.
Yeah, honestly, yeah, you're probably true there, but. So what, you know, bye, you don't have to stay.
Yeah, fair.
Okay, scroll down.
Please.
The planning scheduled report database every time. Grant says something that sounds interesting. I added to the.
Planning schedule report basis the possible. Topic. That databases also can be downloaded. It's a Labor Office database.
And it shows a lot more than the actual. Planning report. If you go to WWE slube.
Dot org slice planning It just shows a PDF report of of the of everything we've done, almost everything we've done.
Since what? 1995 up to the current date and then it's up in the future.
Yeah.
And, 1996.
And. It goes down. You go to.
Okay.
TBDs so we've gotten to the future.
Okay.
Okay. Very good. So that's the planning state report and it's been very helpful to Gary.
It's trying to remember who to talk to and what what we got. And if he's negotiating with somebody, I put that's where they come up.
They show with the. You know, possible. Oh, it's it all adjustable.
It's a really nice database. And It's available. It's on that page. And anybody there comes and pull down it and run ready for office and look at it.
Further down. And outs, haven't had time to do anything. Further down organizational papers. Somewhere in Gary's house, he's got a big box of our organizational papers.
Let's see, so he claims.
Yeah.
I haven't been over there to look lately. And He doesn't bring it out to the curb for me to see it.
Whatever. Sponsorships the next stanza They're just not jumping out of the woodwork, try to give us money to do anything.
And I don't think hardly anybody is doing that kind of thing anymore, though. If anybody can figure out a way to get some sponsorship, that'd be appreciated.
And of course we get to the section that says we need help, we need all the help we can get.
I know I have. A lot of issues. I could use a lot of help. But as Gary says, it's not all psychiatric.
So whatever.
Do we have any new business we need to cover?
Moving on. Recurring requirements. That's all gonna be adjusted July.
I, account was reduced, I do believe. And Lee, who paid for the post office spot yet.
No, it should be coming up. This month I think.
Okay. Yeah. I think, I think it doesn't really pop up till like the end of the month.
Whatever. Does anybody know if Missouri gonna have a tax holiday again this year?
I haven't heard.
I'm looking at this, it reminds me I'll go look. And if I see something, I'll put it up on.
I'll put it up on the calendar and post something to discuss.
Okay. I'll be renewing the new Linux org and the slack.org domain in August.
I'll take care of that.
Yeah.
Do you renew those? One year at a time. I used to suggest my clients. Pick a year and renew 2 years worth.
So you're always. Not up against the deadline, you know. When it comes up, you're just tossing it out.
It's already got the next year. So like right now. You're gonna renew for 2024 to 2025.
I would encourage also doing 2025 to 2026. So when we get to renewal point next year.
If somebody forgets you're not up against a wall, you're now 11 and a half months remaining, but you do the renew and it pushes it out.
Further just as a safety net.
Yeah.
Oh. That works, huh? Okay, I'll try to figure that out in my head. Okay, thank you for that.
It's just you instead of clicking the renew for one year at a time once. One year, click it twice and it costs twice as much that year.
But it moves the date. 2 years down the road and you always have more buffer that way.
Okay. And then when do you renew it at the end of that 2 years or just one year later?
Yeah.
We so let's say you renew it July first, ically or July 4.th By 2 years.
Yeah.
Tomorrow. And next July 4.th You buy one year and you still buy the one year every year thereafter.
You got it.
But you're moving instead of a few days left. To a year and few days left. So if God forbid somebody like Gary's in the hospital.
You don't worry about something lapsing, you have that one year buffer.
Wow, great. Excellent. Thank you.
I guess there's nothing else to cover here. Recognize useful efforts. Right.
I just wanna thank Ken and Shawn for showing up. And.
Grant, you've been a lot of help lately. I just. I'm a little worn out, but I couldn't enumerate all the things you've done over the last 2 or 3 months and then really helpful.
And plus the fact that you're healthy. Really gives us a. A boost.
Hmm.
Just, emotionally, we're still functioning. Yeah. Thank you.
Yep, community effort.
Gotcha.
Thank you all for the useful effort. Keeping things going and pulling things together without the being in the middle of its task like you constantly.
Okay.
Yeah, but you do a good job remotely.
Hey, Lee, reach over and hit the mute button on that phone, please.
Oh, where? I think that's it. Okay.
Yeah. Oh my.
No. I see this this point. We don't necessarily need to do any blue sky recording. We kinda touch on possibilities and what Sean was.
During his demonstration. Is anything else that somebody wants to throw out blue sky?
Yes, actually, well, it's not necessarily blue sky, but I'm not sure where it's the right place to pull this out or throw this out would be.
Record away.
Is this something that you don't mind being recorded or something you want offline or what? Okay, throw it out there.
We're welcome.
Yeah.
I don't object to the fact that we needed to move this meeting to Wednesday this this month. If that's gonna happen on a regular basis.
I'm not gonna be able to participate.
While I check.
Well, this was an unusual situation. Gary was unavailable and Stan was on an airplane, so.
Right. No, I'm, I'm, problem with that. I'm just saying.
Yeah.
If next month is Wednesday. There would be a really good chance that I wouldn't be there.
Not a problem.
Yeah.
I have another, I usually have another obligation on Wednesday evenings and today I was able to get.
Excused for that, but.
I can see you wouldn't wanna be routinely yet.
I would not want to have to do that on a routine basis.
10, in all, the amount of help you give us even. Otherwise, it's just great, you know.
And responses on the mailing list that we have. Are amazing how helpful anything like that helps.
So don't feel, and you, no way we should feel that you have to make these kind of meetings.
You're doing it out of a sense of obligation or loyalty And
Well, and because I'm secretary.
Well.
Hey, we had a we had a guy that was elected as the chairman of the St. Louis Linux user group.
And as soon as you got elected, he never showed up again.
Yeah.
Period. No.
Okay. Oh, and as we were saying, we, We certainly understand the need to try and keep the dates the meetings uniform because of what you just said.
It's. People have other obligations and they don't wanna. Be trying to move things around at the last minute.
So sorry for this one to continue. And, We try and keep on regular scheduled.
It's like I say, that's okay. Anyway, we've probably spent enough time on this.
I move we adjourn the meeting.
Second.
Any injections?
All in favor say aye.
Okay.
Hi.
Okay. Meaning is adjourned. Stop the recording.
Which is the