متشعب هؤلاء.
This meeting is being recorded.
يعنى برشلونة برشلونة.
Yeah, where is it going?
آه يا.
Okay, I just pushed the record on my screen and it says request the host to record the Cloud. So if you just got a notice, that's where that came from.
نعم.
Okay, I got a notice up at the top of my screen
يا.
لا.
On the top of my screen it says this meeting is being recorded. And it asks me if I'd like to leave.
This is.
Yep.
لا آه بويا أبوي أبوي عايشة لي ها أو.
The That's what I hate about being politically correct. You know, I mean.
ساندويتش.
For the damn chat thing or for the day and clothes transcripts, you know, rather than putting English is the top, which I could justify just by saying that that's most commonly Use language and technology in the world for the last 50 years plus probably 80 years But no, we're going to go alphabetically.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, politically whatever Now and and Of course. On my laptop looks entirely different than Anything else?
Huh.
You know, oh my gosh.
I think maybe I told you before the French, you know, we're usually really prissy about Yeah, they wanted things in French and not in English.
Yeah.
So yeah, I tried to humor everybody and I had some students who were, you know. Proficient in Spanish and proficient in French and so anytime I'd send an email to somebody, you know.
In French or Spanish speaking country, it's like, okay, I figured I'd. Try and play politically correct.
I'd have one of the students translated into French or Spanish. And finally one day somebody from France sent me back a note and said, look, we really appreciate, we can see you're making the effort, You know, really everybody in the computer field.
Yeah. Yeah, okay.
We all speak English. It's okay. You can't be a sysadmin or a network operator without speaking English.
Yeah. Oh, that's no good.
Yet.
Not a bitch. I mean
What asshole design this, damn thing?
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
Pitch.
Well, that's
Let me stop my sharing per minute.
Okay.
That's what I wanted. But then inside. Here.
Okay, now I do need to start the sharing in order to
Yet.
I tell you
Okay.
No of these machines are, you know, and this is entirely different than
Okay.
Never mind. My sync book, my laptop, okay? And SSH in the bark, okay?
Okay
Blip. And in in there I've got the agenda. Linked up.
Okay.
And I said, symbolic link to the actual text.
So them agenda. Alright.
Yeah. Okay, No. Gender change.
Say anything about an agenda change that we need to change the agenda.
Yeah.
Okay. Started the video
About 7.
Yeah, okay
7 yeah, pm better. And, you know, formerly start the meeting.
Welcome to the St. Louis, Slug. Steering committee meeting. It is Wednesday, June the No, I'm sorry, it is Monday, June the 3, rd 2,024.
All I'm meeting to order.
Oh, and you're in order at 7 0 9.
7, 8.
Okay.
7 0 8 by my computer And Ken was here for a little bit, but the county has been now.
He's not here now. He came in.
Yeah, put a little, put a little note behind him and say that, Ken joined us, but then, left on sick call.
Yeah.
I know what that means. You know what that means. And Yep, yep, and nobody else is.
Nope.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah. Anything else? We're secretary.
Hmm. Let's see. No, I guess that's good.
You know, I'm acting as recording secretary. If, if we went to the, the minutes.
Alright.
Yep.
Not to miss the, All that special paperwork that's in that box that you've got hidden somewhere, there's probably be something else that's an actual secretary for the group should be doing.
Probably.
Which hasn't been been done for the last 12 years.
I guess.
So yeah, you're right. We should go through that at some point.
No.
Lee not. Yeah. He's out of town, right?
Yes, out of town.
Okay, apparently whatever calendar report Okay, I did the being counts for the calendar. Who? And that's the number.
3 43. I don't think you've given doing a lot of maintenance. Lately, have you?
No, well, I've been I have fallen behind. Yeah, I'm trying trying to catch up
Yeah. If probably you, I just go through and Mark, is that everything you got, Mark with the next, just remove it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hi.
Or transferred to the. To the, the hiatus thing. Just to get, get it off the count.
Yeah, yeah.
Cause I would bet that'd be a good 40, 50. Items out on each month, whatever.
Yeah. Oddly enough, I was starting to do that and then I stumbled on There are some groups that suddenly have Pop back to life.
Yeah.
Well, one of them was today. What was that? The data visits. They, they hadn't met for like 14 months and all of a sudden they met in February and then they met again in April.
Huh.
And the April meeting wasn't planned but a week ahead of time. So. So I'm figuring they're pregnant.
They just made me given birth.
Little, little bit pregnant. Nothing like being a little bit pregnant, right?
Huh.
Hanging
Often without much lead time notice. Okay, subscriber record, you know, the beans.
Oh, I wasn't watching it, so the, meet up jumped to a thousand 4.
Shit.
Okay.
Yeah. Which. If Ken was still here, asking if that, you know. Whose pancreatic?
If he got a notice saying hey pay us more money, yeah
Yeah, but I figure you know it may be getting an opportunity well I don't have it My intention is to go in and pair that down to 9 or 800, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
Get it back down. You know, look, you know, it just consistently jumps by 2530 every damn months for no good reason
Sure.
Yeah. Hold on one moment. Hello. Yep.
Oh, okay.
Okay, I'm in the middle around this meeting right now, so
Okay, bye.
Okay, sorry, I'm back.
Okay. Huh.
My intention is to go pair it down. Reduce excess fake bodies. And then there's the, the attendance report for last month.
5, okay.
Yeah, it may as well.
I'll just go ahead and put this while we're here. Book 2. And you know look the numbers for the slack meeting.
Huh.
Okay, up and down, you know. Look meeting was, oh, 28, we hit 28, group.
That was whichever meeting that was.
For May.
Scots?
Damn, what was that in me? Was that that was That was, Scott was the main and sniffing was the tutorial.
So yeah, we did good on the numbers.
Yeah, and and I noticed that there you know that there was there was a slightly different crew, you know, there were people that attended snipping and then they left and other people came in first.st
Scratch thing so but altogether it was a very good showing. Oh, whatever.
Yeah. Yeah, what? Is that Scott? There was that the.
X- at RPX or whatever the hell it was. Well shit, plan.
Yeah, let me go back and take a I'm gonna go back and take a peek. Hold on.
Oh.
Could I think Scott was Thursday last month, I think. Let me see what Wednesday was.
Yeah. I'm trying to pull up the planning PDF on, I'll miss coward here.
I'm pulling up the calendar.
And. What do you say that was May? May?
May.
May, yes.
Come on.
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
Oh, you know, it was, artificial intelligence and cybersecurity by, Bye, Tony.
Connie. Zacharapa la la la
Thank you. Huh, huh, yeah.
Alright.
Okay, well I guess. Hey, it's, it's the buzz word in the year.
You hit it while it's hot, right?
Exactly, exactly.
And then, okay, and then. And then there's the St. Louis Linux thing. That was Scott's sake with the, history, right?
Correct. Correct.
And very good interesting meeting. But I imagine a lot of people said, I'll just, I'll just watch the recording.
Yep.
Or whatever. Anyway. And I got a tremendous number of people on the new log. Look at that.
18. That's the that's the biggest count I've had. Since last November.
Wow. Where are you finding these people?
Wow.
To to my benefit.
Phil shows up at every meeting. That's 1st half hour I was there. I couldn't get my damn sound going.
Huh.
Per not or perhaps more than a half hour because I started the meeting 15 min ahead of this You know, at, at, 5 45.
Yeah.
Could not get sound go until about 6 36 40 or, I mean, 7 40. So essentially fill around the meeting.
Okay
And you know, and everybody was, you know, poking at me and making that fun of my, my mom dressed me funny, stuff like that, you know.
Yes.
Anyhoo. But I mean, you know, but The regulars that come in like, the, The guy from Canada, Ron, BC.
Huh. Yeah.
Yeah.
He was there. Tony C was there. I think Kashan was there, I think. And, and a guy from, a guy from California, Wayne S.
Yeah. Huh. Huh. Yeah.
I mean, those, those guys know they're stuck. You know, they're, you know, they're, they're beyond intermediate.
Yeah, yeah.
They are, they are, you know, they're grey birds, essentially. You know, I mean, they're not the gurus of the world, but by golly, they know the stuff and And they've taken to You know, they'll get off on tangents about some technical thing, but if some, if I can, if we can encourage the new person in the room to ask
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
a simple question, they get a good answer. And those guys enjoy answering it. And That's the greatest thing.
Alright, alright.
Definitely.
That's what this that was a new what the new Linux group should be about I think is get you know Helping helping the new kid on a block And then, okay, we also had that gal that I couldn't understand a word she said.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yes, I did. I did.
Yeah, I think you came in there too, didn't you? And, and the one guy, Edwin or Edward or whatever that helped her quite a bit.
Okay.
And he'd been he'd been to like in the last he'd been into like 2 meetings last year and one maybe one meeting in February or something like that.
He came in. So he, he hadn't been at that that many meetings, but he helped her out because he could He could understand her.
Yeah.
I couldn't understand her accent. I'm sorry. Just so, you know. Whatever but that was great the other guys carried the meeting, you know And of course, you know, they all, you know, like listening to me, Babylon sometimes about something, whatever.
Oh.
You're right, I glance back through the, through the counts and, you, usually only have one meeting that has more than 15 people a year.
And at least going back to 2 21. And so you've already had had 2 above 15 this year.
One of those was 18.
Yeah. But even if anything, I think anything over tennis is gravy, really.
Yeah.
Got lots of help from Phil.
Yeah, from filling the other regulars. Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
Give some more thought there. Just step out of the room for one second, check on something.
So is it just us 3 tonight? I know I'm late.
Hi James. We, Yeah, we went ahead and started a little bit. That's we're just Just got into the being counts.
I watch the Yeah.
Alright, well.
And, and Gary had to. Go visit the the water closet, I think Yeah. I recognize your voice, but they didn't understand your question.
Yeah, you're just a little bit other than you're just a little bit late. I thought we'd go ahead.
10 Johnson showed up, but it turned out that he had cutting down with COVID last week so he didn't feel well.
That's no fun, I'm sure.
No fun at all. Yeah. How are you doing?
Huh. Are you married yet?
Hi, I'm a live well, If I think so. We are. Beautiful ceremony.
All right, I guess.
Yeah.
Temperature on for at least a month. Now we're up to record highs. Yeah, please.
Yeah. Yay! You're in San Antonio, right? There there.
Yes, sir.
Okay. Oh, well, I was stationed there at Fort Ben. For a while and When I 1st moved down there, they had a amazingly Wet and Who will spring?
And had all kinds of wildfires blooming everywhere and And I think, oh, this is not so bad.
Summer time. Yeah.
And then it turned out, and then it turned into July. Holy crap, I thought I was gonna die.
Yeah.
Oh, the 1st year I moved down and I moved down and they're in the summertime, middle of July, but like every day there'd be a giant during the storm at like 2 or something and it cool everything down.
Oh wow.
So you don't, yeah, you didn't think it was all that. It's like, Texas?
Not that hot.
Yeah, do you just wait, right? Okay. You just wait.
Yeah, but last year I think we went like all summer without any rain or something silly like that.
Yeah, and oh, and then the
Hmm.
Then came wintertime, they had the the 1st blizzards that they had in 50 years.
Yeah, no, I missed that one. That was the winter right before.
Yeah.
Okay, and you know, and everybody practically everybody in the cities, their pipes rose up and their water mains breaking and and you know they don't have furnaces they got these this heater thing in the wall that they call it a You know, and, oh my.
Yeah. You don't need those, mostly.
Oh, gaudy. Crazy weather. It's just, well, it's just whatever.
Okay.
Okay, I'll go back up to the top and
I'll go ahead and add you is, is being in.
Okay.
I guess, so I get, I guess, Gary is stuck doing administrative paperwork, huh?
It's very important papers.
I'm sure. Lee's not here, so we didn't get any, Numbers on that that he's out of because he's out of town.
Used to. Of course.
And I'll, of course. I'm Mackey, recording secretary because Ken had to leave.
He wasn't feeling that great. We told him if you don't feel great just leave, you know.
And.
Half.
Okay. Yeah, this is not, you know, nice to do. It's not bad, utterly important.
Yeah. Yeah. And, as far as that there was a being count on the calendar. Gary said some, you know, that he was.
Thanks.
Doing his regular maintenance and he said some of the groups are starting to come back but often without much lead time notice so Whatever.
So those, you know. Hi, should you go through and eliminate a lot of the stuff you got, Mark is X, whatever, just because.
Yeah, if anyone reaches out to say, hey, we're still active, then we can re-ad them, maybe.
Yeah.
Yep, that easily and
But speaking of being counting, if I did want to send you some charitable donations, How would I do that?
I don't remember.
Good question.
Is it on the website? Yeah.
I do not have a check book.
I mean, I know in the old days checks were the way to do it. Yes, the world is different, it used to be.
Oh. I'm sure they would. Work out something with the Zilla or something like that or PayP.
Yeah.
Or whatever. Cause we do have a bank account where we do have our, funds and it said it was commerce bank.
And I'm on the or was on on the access to it but I haven't looked at the thing in 2 years so whatever.
Yeah, I sure hope. Oh well. Oh my. Lead, Lee is left town.
Oh, I wonder if he have sconded with all our funds.
It's right. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a drop in the bucket if he has.
Yeah, I mean, if he has, it's pretty desperate, I'll tell you.
You probably.
Oh well, Anyhow, I wanted to mention the, the being count. The the meetup count went over a thousand.
I wasn't watching it like I normally do because but I need to after the meeting sometime this week, I'm gonna go.
Hmm.
And pair out a lot of names and get it back down below 900 again. And because, you know, every month we get 2530 people join and maybe 2 show up at a meeting.
Maybe. You know, and then we never see him again, you know? Whatever and everything else is kinda steady the whatever.
And then there's accounts for the attendance. Gary and I were just talking about the attendance.
Well, let me change that.
The 3
For this month. Okay. But I mean, Slack meeting was 12. Is, you know, once anything around 10, I think is good.
Are they slack meeting and the St. Louis love meeting was 28 that was the one with Tony Zaparakis talking about the, artificial intelligence and and security stuff, cybersecurity and and AI.
And hit that buzz word when it's when you can, right?
Yep, yep.
And then, and amazingly the St. Louis Linux meeting was, was. Rather low, that was the history thing, I think, wasn't it?
Yes, yep.
Gary? That Scott did, and you know, whatever. It was good. Immediately interesting, but some people just Depending on the title, people just don't show, you know, they think, oh, that's not going to be interesting.
Not going to be interesting.
Exactly. Yeah, I'm sure that was it. People just figured that wasn't going to be an interesting, useful topic.
But James, what he went into is he spent an enormous amount of time on the story of CPM and that they were dominating the industry when there almost was no industry and, you know, here this upstart Microsoft comes along and basically just ripped it out from underneath them.
It was really a good presentation on just, you know, what went wrong. But.
And you concentrated on 1981 Cause he said that was the most pivotal year and honestly, 81, 82 were what, you know, kind of, for what was gonna happen for the next 1015, 20 years, definitely.
Yep. Hmm.
And, yeah. The last 3 years of that decade, he, he kind of spun, spud true, but no biggie.
Okay.
And then we were talking about the attendance I had at the new log I'm back you know 18 which is in a phenomenal number I always think anything above 10 is great But I had problems going into that meeting.
I could not get my sound to work for the 1st half. Thankfully, Phil Bunch took over.
Yeah.
And kind of kept things going and and people pointed at me and made fun of my my ears and you know, my mouth and all that kind of stuff and my, heritage, whatever.
And.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah, all that good stuff.
Oh, I guess.
I like good stuff and then but what I was telling Gary is this the amazing thing is we've got a bunch of grey beards that come in there.
Is that most of the founders? Via meetup, but they they are very helpful. And, you know, they'll, they'll get a talking among yourselves about something, you know, that, you know, sometime this over my head sometimes it's you know some coding thing or whatever.
But if I can get the new person in the route, the newbie in the room to ask a question.
You know, to stop being shy and ask a question, they will help. And that's fantastic, you know, and we got the guys like, well, like yourself.
This there's Ron BC from from Canada. There's Wayne S from California. And Sean Sweethouse.
And, Tony C. I think he's from East Coast somewhere. You know, those guys, you know, they, they are amazingly helpful and they get the idea.
The idea is that have a group where somebody does ask a decent question. They get an answer. Just, you know, and they're not.
You know they really don't make fun of the new person for asking a simple question. Is great.
Yeah. Cool.
I think Whatever. Although Good. Whatever, really don't know. So, That was a Slack meeting.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I mentioned that I might Yeah, I wish talking about that. Select meeting.
Yeah, that network sniffing for beginners saying that Grant and and Lee did. I think that got a lot of interest.
I think so.
And we're expecting.
James Stan already does so much work digging through the attendance, keeping track of the attendance numbers, but I wanted to sit down myself and I just haven't done it and compare the number of people who We're actually there for the 1st part, the tutorial on sniffer.
And the Second part, which was the AI and cybersecurity. No, just to see if I could tell how many people, you know.
Only came for the 1st part and how many people only came for the second part, but I haven't done that yet.
So.
Yeah.
Hmm, my guess is about 5 or 7 both categories. And everybody else stayed for the whole thing. I think, you know, that's my gut feeling on it, but, you know.
Hi, you, you could go through my recording. And figure that out, but God, that'd be a lot of work.
Yeah.
You know. The thing is, if somebody comes in, I put their name down, period.
Oh.
If they're, if I see the name, I just added this attendance because You know, only reason I take the attendance is because we, you know, 2, our bylaws say, 12 meetings.
Yep.
Not at all.
Nope.
Doesn't save for how long. Does it? Yeah, not at all.
Yeah, were you there for the,
So the network sniffing thing.
Yes, I think I did have to drop early before the AI or something.
Yeah. Any you have any? Thing to say about it, you comment, do you think worthwhile or?
I mean
Yeah, I do like the idea of having like a running series of tutorials on it. The easy way in.
Yeah.
And I was talking to Gary.
Oh no, I don't see an out on the, YouTube channel. The last Wednesday's meeting or not last one today but the sniper and AI.
Yeah. Anyway.
Okay.
Oh, I haven't added any of the stuff to YouTube channel yet. Excellent. That's a, I was kind of waiting for.
Shawn's stuff to settle down to kind of figure out what he was doing and I I have and I think it's it's about the only thing I can use about that is probably incorporate the, the graphics start adding those and I hopefully will be able to go back and adjust the the narrative later.
But I, you know. That for me that'd be a lot of work. To do in addition to doing the upload to, of our.
Videos to to YouTube
Good, and go through and edit the, the descriptions and everything. Add graphics.
Yeah, cause you know, and then, you know, it It's enough, you know, I do the Sometimes I modify the.
The, abstract that they send us to put on the homepage. What? Gosh, you know, by the time I get, get, get to the point of uploading the damn video, I've already deleted the thing and made the homepage say to be determined.
They are the next thing.
For the next thing. Or I don't completely erase it. I move it to a keep folder.
Yeah. Okay.
So it's still out there, but that's the stuff that. That Sean was looking at and he said, it's a manual process to some part, you know, so.
Yeah.
It's yet another manual process that I don't want to do. Or, you know, our, our.
Huh.
Can I help upload videos? That's at least something I can usually do since I've been missing more meetings slightly.
You could. I added, I added, Sean to the ability to do it, but he has not done it yet.
The thing is we we would want to upload the finalized copy. That and use them the file naming pattern that I've come up with.
No.
I think is a very appropriate. So, if you pull it off of
Bach, you know, the media.
Oh, I ask for bark again, but yeah, it's up on back.
It's up on Bock, yeah. You know, but you know the thing is, I, I only uploaded what, 2019 I haven't done 2020 and 21 and Oh, okay, I guess I did 21.
I see 21. Up through December.
I guess I did 21. I don't know. So, but, yeah, so that we need, we would need to do.
The next year in sequence. You know, and Whatever. And I'm wondering if if you can go in and then.
I think you probably can.
Modify the description. Yeah, hi. Okay, that'd be great. Okay But the thing is, once I get, you know, once I get other things kind of settled down.
I would like, I think it'd be a good idea if we could just upload as many as we have.
Yeah.
Get them all up up there because And because the you know.
Or like set them to release at like the same time every day, just so it's not completely flooding.
That's a
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I do them one at a time, you know, whatever.
Yeah.
Well, I do want to sign because that's my limited bandwidth. Whatever. And oh, and also
Is that actual bandwidth or your bandwidth?
And both.
Yeah.
What did you do?
The
The hot topic we had last last month or before. As, you may have been into the meeting or not, but with, or.
Saw it on discuss where. Terry, shoot, had said. How do I connect to the remotely to the internet?
I'm, I'm got my laptop. How do I get back home? How do I get, you know, etc, there is a lot of coverage there.
So I'm thinking that that would be the next. Hot topic the next series of tutorials kind of stuff that we might dive into
What I call it, Gary, remote.
Remote connections.
Networking, remote. Like tunneling.
Okay. July.
Yeah, let me. Oh,
Remote connectivity.
Yeah, is it?
Yeah, and during the discussion or whatever they, you know, they told him about what he had to do to router, you know, set up his router and do port forwarding and that kind of stuff and, etc, etc.
You know, that whole kind of that whole arena of things is something that would be, you know, it'd be a make a very good, continuing series.
Once they they, and, Grant finish this series on. You can call it.
Sniffing.
Network snipping, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And I, I had talked to Gary about that quite a bit earlier anyway.
Anything else to say about that? That network sniffing session.
You said that you had to leave after that.
Change.
Yeah, like I wasn't feeling well or something. Just had to step out.
Okay.
But, you know. And the the Course, that was recorded and then then the, the, thing that Tony Z did, review of cybersecurity.
With AI. But you know. I don't know. Yeah.
Comments, Gary? What do you think about the Tony's
You know, I, Boy, how to say this.
A little bit better organized and stuff he's done in the recent past, right?
Oh yeah, yeah. But I still
Yeah, he basically would say, well, maybe we should ask this, you know, and he, you know, do an AI request and, just show us what the responses were that he got back on the screen, you know, and it was Just kind of a listing of, okay, here are websites that it prefers to and Here is this and it.
I just didn't find that it was. Made into a new slide deck, you know, just kind of a Here's the headlines, but that, maybe it's been too critical there.
Hmm.
I was kind of hoping for something more of a of an organized, you know, okay, here's the way to go about it, but nope, what's more, we got more of a just a quick survey of, okay, here are the options.
Yeah, and did you happen to go back and watch the video? James.
I have not. It's not available on YouTube yet, right? I have not looked for stuff on Bach.
Well, it's on our, it's on our website. It's on our website.
The archive page.
Okay. Resourcing.
Presentation.
You know, hey, okay.
Well, I have not, now I am able to.
That appropriate, Gary?
What'd you, how'd you say it?
Yeah, no, I like that, yeah. Well, we'll state it. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know if that's spelled right, but.
That's what the AI exported. Tell us if it's spelled right.
Yes, yet.
That's right.
Over AI is an overword acronym.
Yeah
St. Louis Linux things that they Scott's show. History thing as
Very, as Gary was saying, very good.
And
I don't know if it's Good to write this down in writing. I'll say it's a James.
Okay.
Here is it. I was surprised. Because Scott, you know, is a He regularly teaches university classes.
And, so, you know, Scott. Probably has a pretty good gut level feeling for you know how much of a lecture fits into 50 min.
Because that's his usual amount of time that he has to speak. So the fact that Scott spoke for What was it?
2 h and 20 min.
Do and a half hours down there.
1981.
No, I'm good.
Yeah, and probably the 1st hour and 10 min of that, if not more, was, Just on the topic of that CPM to to MSDOS And, it was really good stuff.
I mean, the content was excellent, excellent. But I was just Surprised that that he went that long.
I would have thought that he Yeah, would have. Had more of a grip on the time. But Anyway.
How do I say? Very good covers of CPM.
Yeah.
Yeah, talk went very long. Excellent talk, but went very long. Probably all that's necessary.
Yeah.
Yeah. Maybe he was just super excited about it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I wouldn't say anybody was upset about it. It was, you know. I think a few people, you know, just.
It's the butt time issue, you know, after people are sitting staring at the screen for 2 h, they've just.
Yeah. Nature calls or something.
Yeah.
Have you, have you looked at that? Are we there?
I have not. No, I was not.
Did you look at the 1st one? The That can march. Part one. That's it.
The 1st one.
In March. History.
Computer history.
Scott did the history of confusion.
I do not recall it.
He did the history of.
From 1968 to to 70 or 79.
Yeah. My wedding was April 6, th so I was a little bit. Booked that week.
Yeah.
Sorry that month.
Okay, yeah. Yeah, understood.
Yeah. Yeah.
You didn't tell us when it was gonna be. We just knew you were gonna get what married 1st we heard that this is past 10 students.
Yeah, I don't wanna bore you with anything.
Yeah.
We had all these great toast we were going to make to during the, well, it could have been for the bachelor party or it could have been for the wedding reception.
Yeah.
Or what they call it, shivery.
So.
Okay.
Yeah.
My, my female cousin got married to a, a guy in the Navy and of course, some of the guys had to get up and give some toast at the, at the wedding reception.
In the Navy. Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, it is the evening went on and the submarine guys got going it's like my cousin was like Yeah, grabbing her new husband and grabbing me and saying, get those guys away from the microphone.
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, then the new log, as I said earlier, was Yeah, I had to start at the meeting early, but it took me more than a half hour, almost 45 min to get my sound working.
Phil kept the meeting going. and where the hell is it? Where did it go?
Wrong keyboard.
Usual regulars.
Where Very. I spell it right, very helpful.
Justing
The
Existing in Linux newcomer and as I was telling Gary I could not understand her accent. She just beyond me.
That's part of being old.
We're done with that.
We got tonight. I expect it to be, it was a little complicated and difficult to start the meeting.
When all that bad.
Excuse me, I'm getting. Dinged on a phone call here that I really really need to pick up.
Not cool.
I'm gonna drop off for a little bit. No, I'll be back. But, I made maybe 15 min on this, but I'll try and get back as I can.
Okay. Oh. Well that sucks.
Yeah.
But, Stan, Sam, you've, you've. You kind of know some of the things I said here and Oh yeah, the big request is, James, if you have any thoughts on the Thursday night speaker, Sandal explained the one we had booked is probably not going to make it.
Yeah. Got Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever
Oh, Gary just went muted and Lock yourself out. Anyway.
Yeah, tonight, Lee being out of town, I had to start to sing up. I thought it was going to be more.
Harder to do than I Usually it wasn't that bad, but the problem is with just me and Gary and I was here for 20 min, but nobody else showed up.
Okay.
I didn't know whether it was working or not. You know?
Oh, good to hear it at least easy enough to do yourself. So I can do that in future.
Yeah, it's not as bad as I thought it would be. That's not a doubt I thought it would be.
Yeah.
But, you know. But still, just like every dang thing else.
The console display that I get as the guy running the show is different than the normal thing that I get as a normal participant.
Yeah.
Cause what should that be consistent?
Which is also different from what anonymous, so. In my head. Good. In my head, there's, you know, at least 3 different scenarios of how this stuff come across.
And they all change from time to time every meeting anyway. So what the hell?
Yeah.
It's securing me through. Annoying design.
I don't know. Anyway, Obscurity. Yeah, it's a ongoing job security for the guys writing stuff.
Oh, we, you know, we got improvement. You know, this is screwed up. We gotta change it.
Yeah.
Hello. Oh yeah. Oh and it's you know it's just
Oh, well, it's a new hot thing. I guess it's the same thing with anything else if it's a hot thing out there.
Yeah, try and change it. Improve it.
It's job security for the new guy. At at least while at last You know, milk it while you can.
Yeah, anyway.
Tomorrow or not tomorrow this coming Thursday is going to be the SWAC meeting and I've added the And notice that July 4.th
It's the 1st Thursday of the month for July. Conflicts with the normal. Slug.
The slack, 1st Thursday meeting date, so. I'm gonna drop it to a Friday.
No.
Okay.
It was easy if I didn't, I didn't like the idea of doing it the week earlier.
That's too far up there. I think I just don't I've done the week earlier stuff and it's it's not it's it's Yes, it's unsettling, I think.
And Dropping back a week, it's right after it would be the day right after the the slew Wednesday meeting And we don't we don't like doing the back to back meetings anymore.
I know I definitely don't like I'm doing back and back. And it used to be a real pain when we physically had to do them.
And, we found that Some people wanted them. I mean, it was an ongoing part one part 2 kind of thing.
Yeah.
And packed into the short amount of time.
It it made sense But good grief is a lot of work. You know? And, Yeah, we, yeah, and you know, it used to be terrible with carrying equipment back forth.
I used to have to carry 2 bags of stuff with 5, besides the projector I had and a laptop and a little recording thing and some phones and this and that and the other and and also did the physical sign in attendance sheet.
Which I don't have to do anymore. But now I gotta use anonymous coward to record who showed up.
Yeah, make sure it's right, hopefully.
Yeah. Well, that's the slack meeting and for the Wednesday meeting, confirmed that you're gonna do part 2 network snipping.
Haven't got the the basis. They said that they'd done some abstract stuff that I, but I haven't put it up on the webpage yet.
And because I haven't even read it yet, I was telling Gary. Yeah. Shoot.
Pointing up upon. Home page.
I was also telling Gary. I've got About 420 messages on discussed and announced that I haven't read yet
Just a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, going back about 4 months, maybe 5.
You know, I'll bring him up and I'll glance at him, you know, this, you know, says nothing in there said we're nuclear war yet, so I'm fine.
Yeah.
Yeah, I have a prior event Thursday. I can't give a talk.
No.
Yeah, doing volunteering for B-side. They want us to show up and help out, or at least tour the place.
Well, that that that next, Scott's gonna do the thing about social media for techies. Okay, which you know Gary and I were saying it'd be interesting to see what his take on that, what he would say.
You know, and what we, you know, I put up on a web page, you know, the question is.
The old guys like me and Gary, we're used to using email.
I don't have a Facebook account. I don't have a Twitter account. I don't have, you know, black, you go down a list of 40 things.
I don't have a phone on.
You know? I was also. 20 back to Gary and I'll I'll point it out to you too that Wikipedia.
Has a humongous page talking about social media. Okay, I mean humongous. I mean You think that that's Scott can talk for 3 h on a topic.
We know.
Wikipedia has got them too, you know, they got 12 h worth of stuff there. You could, you could dive into what they got there and talking about social media.
You name it, you know, they talk about bullying and and Yeah, just anything to, you know, losing your, getting hacked you know losing you know you name it all the different goods things bad things and you know And it's like the plus the fact that there's like.
Oh yeah.
There's not just 12 things, there's 47 of them, you know? And, everybody wants you to join the thing that they're on, you know?
Yeah, for their network effect, hopefully make it better. Okay, that's more people to join.
So yeah, send rat and and rather than pointing everybody to that page to look at before what Scott does.
Gary and I kind of agree that we'll just kind of see what Scott says and then You know?
We'll point them at it.
Yeah, then then point him at it and then you know, invite him to, to, you know, if you have anything you wanted to, you need.
Say up on discuss. Hey, that's what we got it for Though, oh man.
Yeah. No, oh.
Yeah, it's a It just kind of, it reminded me of, you know, in the military they do.
Personnel evaluations.
And this Colonel once said the most interesting evaluation he ever did of this combat officer was He would like to just follow him around the battlefield to see what he does.
Yeah, a good recommendation or a bad one. Yeah.
Now. We can is bound to be different. You know, how do you take that, you know?
So.
So we just want to
Yes. What?
That's I mean, you know, it's just he could say a million things. We just wanted the
Cause Scott has done some amazing non Linux nonunix. Talks that have been extremely interesting if you've ever been to some of them.
Oh yeah, I have them.
I mean, do you remember the one about color that he did?
Oh, that was fantastic.
Yes, I do. Although I'm not sure.
That I pointed it out to my My sister in law, she. You send a decoration.
Hi. Every I mean, every talk I've gone through one by him, he has definitely gone over and it's all been good.
But he's Gone over so I don't know. Gary should expect that.
Yeah. And it's always a hunt. Yeah, we expect that, but it's going to be whatever it is is going to be different than a different take than than everybody else in the world may have.
Yeah, what we're expecting.
And, and he, and the thing he, you know, he does talk about, he says, practically all of his students.
No, none of this stuff. You know, they don't, you know, most of them, you know, they were bored, you know, they were born in, in this, century, not in the last century.
You know, they grew up with a, with a, smartphone in their hand or an apple or whatever they have no clue what it was like that before
Yeah.
I still remember the before times. Yeah, we got a
Yeah. Yeah. You know, but most of his students, community, he get teachers community college and level.
Yeah.
And most of those kids have no clue. Yeah. They, yeah, just amazing. Well, you know, I, I maintain, a database and I, for keeping contact with my, my high school reunion.
Group. I graduated high school in 1966. Okay, That's more than a little bit ago, okay?
Just a little bit. Yeah.
Had. They didn't have any of this stuff, you know, I'm, yeah, shoot.
I remember goin to my 1st computer conference and I think it was either 1972 3 or 74 somewhere in there did not yet have a computer.
And I went to this conference computer conference out in California. Because I wanted to to find out about this computer system I was thinking of buying.
Try it before you buy it. Yeah.
And I flew, I flew out there. Yeah, I wanted to ask, you know, some questions because they were touting 2 different, you had your choice of CPM and some other.
Okay. And I wanted to ask the guys at this particular booth, you know, a little bit about What that operating system?
Which is better.
Yeah, yeah, because the even even back then the internet wasn't didn't cover a lot of stuff.
And I can remember walking up to the to the booth. And there was a guy there arguing with the guy behind the counter.
Oh, wanted to know why he had paid over $2,000 3 months ago and still didn't have these computer.
Okay.
Okay. I'm not gonna buy one of those.
Okay.
So consequently I went by Heath Kit H. 89 and put it together. Yeah, wish was an event.
Yeah. And I put the printer together 1st because I had to do all the soldering and I figured out well I'll I'll work on the printer.
I'll get good practice soldering and then I'll do the main computer. And then I did the actual computer.
And the 1st time I turned it on, guess what? I let out them, not the magic smoke!
It, smoked. Yeah.
Yeah, you even practiced.
Okay.
Yeah.
I did. I, you know, I had Yeah, and you know that and I found that the there's 2 coupler that you know that should have gone together like this they went together like that and fortunately it blew out a 20 cent fuse instead of the CPU which at the time was over $350.
Back when that was real money.
Yeah And then after I ran it for about a week and then I went to Europe for 30 days.
And then came back and played with it more. Okay. Oh shoot. Yeah, so that's on that.
And we do not. Have anything for the St. Louis Linux user group and It just, we, Gary, been talking to 2 different people.
We've been talking to Craig, Buchcheck about something. Craig is finally. Said that What are you Scott?
No, he's not able to or.
You're not able to and
Well, I can't. Something. More Linux.
Specific than what you've been talking about. Or July. Or later. Yeah.
That's that. And then there was another guy, Alex Towell, maybe.
Alex just told Gary that he's facing
Oh.
Health. His cancers come back at him.
Oh, that's, that bit more important.
Yeah. I think so. And, Oh wow.
Yeah. No, whatever. So that's still open, but. Hi, I'm trying to get Gary to go back to our planning schedule thing and you know, hit ups and some other people on there, you know, he.
Unfortunately, Gary has lately in the last couple of months has gotten He's been like a dog with a, trying to get a bone.
He'll get. And he doesn't. He doesn't.
Hmm.
Attempt too many options like he used to. But that's his conflicts are with other. Other yeah People issues.
You know, I keep selling his personal life is interfering with running the show. Yeah.
I. I think he is entitled to personal life, but. I can have issued.
Yeah, you know, Whatever. And,
My attempt. Hey. Okay. On What the hell is the topic I had for that?
Let, let me see if I can bring this up. What does this guy call it?
Yeah.
I, I got an idea for a couple of, kind of a slide show for terminology.
That might help newcomers. Understand that it's not just that Linux has got, you know, A 150.
Currently, active distros, but. They fall into different categories and how those tie together with their desktop environments and their fonts and all that kind of stuff and I've got some stuff that I try to.
To give as an a What I've taken to doing is, is try to present. Possible topics were to cover during the during the meeting.
You know, the meeting is either the way I run a meeting, it's entirely relevant to. The new kid on the new beginner that shows up, you know, try to.
Answer all their questions if they've got any if they're brave enough to ask a question well Correct.
But you know, lot of times they're just totally shy or they, you know, whatever.
And but, there's some stuff that I think is the run across the last 2 or 3 years that I think is really relevant.
To. Okay, how a new newcomer to to Linux needs to think about different things.
Let's see it.
You know, so I got a couple of ideas and there's some graphical things and And then too, you know, and I used to get a lot of, of newcomers switching over to Linux that You know, these are the people that got no clue what's behind the tube or the keyboard, you know.
You ask them how much How big your computer was?
What CPU they have or yeah, how much memory or?
Yeah, yeah, and then they say, oh, I got 5 GB hard drive, you know, that's not what I wanted to know.
I wanted to know how much RAM you had. Watch that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Also, only a 5 GB hard drive. What are we living then?
Yeah, yeah, you know, they confused between the the heart, you know, the CPU and the hard disk storage and in now it's the SSD storage, etc, etc.
Oh, that's the kind of stuff I I have tried to have an auxiliary thing and you know another thing is the Oh, I might want to talk about.
Then toy. Which is, I've started to put together kind of a slideshow on that, you know.
You know, and you talk about, I'll also talk about virtual. Machines or whatever and Oh, you want to download an ice show?
Put it on a Vento stick. You know, thumb drive with Ventoy because it's a lot easier.
You have multiple ISOs on a Ben toy stick. Not just one. Yeah, things like that.
We'll have to look at Vent.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, it Yeah, cause I got a Ventoy stick.
I've got one of them around here somewhere and I've got about 20 some different ISOs on this on the stick.
And it's better than, you know, than doing, you know, you know, a lot of the instructions you get from whatever they show you how to run something and you only get You can do DD and copy the ice show to a sun drive.
Well, you got a 32 GB thumb drive with with a 4 GB, ISO on it.
That's kind of wasteful. Plus the fact you only got one. You know, with then toy, it's got 2 petitions on it and Then toys on one petition and the other petition is stores the ISOs.
So I got, you know, you could, if you got a, just. 32, 6,428 GB thumb drive, you can just fill that sucker up with ISOs.
And boot off any one of them.
For all of them at once, probably not all.
Well, yeah, you know. Just, you know, do one right after another, one right after the other.
You could try. Okay.
Anyway.
I think Gary peaked back in, but he must still be on the phone call.
Anyway, like I said, 4th of July, it depends today. I'm gonna move the Slack meeting.
To to the this in July.
Do you ever attend attend to slack meetings?
The new line? No.
Hey, Ron. The 1st Thursday of the month.
Hi, I try to, but I've been bad about the last couple of months.
Yeah, okay, I thought you had been to one or 2 of them. But they're really good, you know, it's they're just as enjoyable about as any of the meetings we go to.
And honestly, it's just like every one of them. I don't think I have attended any of our meetings since 1993 that I haven't learned.
Something at one of the meetings. Really? Oh. Not that I remember what I learned.
Yeah, or that it was that maybe that important, but it's always you. You run across something that somebody has a tip or a comment or 2 that this relevant.
But, oh.
Yep.
Craig Bootchit might have something for the July. Linux meeting.
Okay. And nothing that. And these are the dates in August. Pup.
And the stearcom is gonna be the 29th of July because it's that Monday prior to the Oh, wait a minute, that's not right.
I like that. That's wrong.
And there we go. Yeah, cause it's the week Monday prior to the main meeting. That'll be the 5th of August.
Okay, glad I caught that.
Hey you. Means I gotta go back and change the web page.
At this point, all business.
Lee's not here, so don't know what else to say. And I want to point out that
Busters into life is June 30.th
Yeah.
I want to ask, and Lee's not here, that I don't, you know, he's the only one that's been, been,
We've got plenty of time, right?
Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. God. Okay.
We got anything to say about this.
Hmm.
I guess it's end of life would be appropriate to call it that.
Yeah. Isn't that what they call it anyway?
Yeah, I mean, we get no more securities.
Patches and now update.
Oh well.
Oh.
Yeah. I was hoping he'd be here, but
He has a business to run. He's out of town. I think he has a a paying customer in in Alabama I think.
Oh
Though he has to go down there. And
Thank you. Besides family in Las Vegas, I think he's got a customer in Las Vegas too if some kind.
Must be nice to have a plane and be able to quiet.
Yeah, below this one.
Yeah. And you can write it off as a vision expense, right? Yeah. Yeah, evidently.
Yeah, and if I had, you know, owned a plane and enjoyed flying and whatever and had a business region to use it, damn right I would use it, you know, beats going to to an airport sitting around for 3 h before you get on the plane.
Yep.
Why another 3 h and then get off and the airport and go look for your damn luggage.
They're all, yeah, they stuck. With 3 other people in the same area.
Yeah. Oh well.
I don't know what else to say.
Hey! Hello, Gary.
Hmm.
Put that bad bad bad bad
Just repeat that. And the life is the end of the month.
I don't know what else to say.
Website, maintenance,
Yeah.
Nothing unusual.
And my intentions just start again again later this week. Maybe. Maybe even tomorrow, whatever.
Website. Meetup. Com maintenance. Yeah.
Gary, we hate
No, we love Gary. We want him to come back.
Yeah, when when we hate we hate meet up
Oh, that's too.
You deal with it.
We are anxiously
I don't know how to still anxious.
Very carefully.
Yeah.
I love that.
Nothing new on I announced with.
We kept this. No change about cameras and microphones or projectors.
But because it's equipment that we might need later, we just need to keep track of it.
Okay. And the attendance database.
Hmm.
Nothing new.
On the attendance database.
Planning screwed you to do the planning schedule.
Yeah, nothing new.
And out. Shoot.
No progress.
Not a high priority right now.
Yes.
Nothing new on sponsorships.
Okay.
Any new voluntary help? Nope, we need clones. We just aren't getting any. Volunteers your speaker.
Is there any new business we ought to list here that we was talking, may have been talking about on discuss or the steering committee meeting.
Mailing list.
Hi, I have no idea.
Nothing new that I can think of. And of course this reoccurring.
Huh. I need to ask.
I need to ask Lee about this July renewal of sloop.org because I went up and did a who is on it?
And it says that it's due. The 10th of July. And our note here says it's done in June, so since this is still June, I guess it still has time for it to automatically take care of it.
Whatever. That's the only thing I'm worried about.
I'll just say. None.
Do you have any suggestions?
I am seeing it by July. Same day you are.
Yeah. Yeah.
And since it says here that the automated thing occurs in June, I think it was nothing to worry about.
We should be good. Yeah, have a good.
Yeah.
Oh, I was asking Gary earlier about on, who is? See, they, they list a registrant.
Admin and tech, didn't they used to list a 4? th
Category.
On the who is stuff
Alright, still list the registrar. Haven or.
Is there is a registrar the owner or the ISP kind of guy?
That's like the, whoever sold you the domain name.
I'm just trying.
Okay. Okay, it's kind of what I thought but It seemed like this besides the admin and tech, there's also an used to be an additional name in there.
Hmm.
Yeah, I have not looked at it enough to know.
Yeah. I was wondering if there was an RFC that kinda handled it. Very said he didn't remember.
So much for that, that's just an aside.
Whatever.
We need to, is anybody that's done anything useful that we should talk about? Mentioned, give him a pat on the back.
Hi, everyone would like to accommodate Stan or recognize him. Place would fall down without you.
Probably almost literally.
Okay. Yeah.
Alright, Not almost, definitely, literally.
Yeah. And as I say, nobody really appreciates what I do unless I don't do it.
Right.
Oh my.
Hey! Yeah. What's the bus factor on Stan here?
I don't know. Okay, I. You know, you know what?
The blue sky recordings. Thing is, don't you?
I don't think so, Blue Sky.
Oh yes.
Oh, the idea of blue sky is, you know, just to get off, go off the rails and kinda think outside the box kind of thing and Sometimes it's stuff that you do not want to record.
And sometimes you do run a recorded in in our evidence that we have to present it to when it's subpoenaed by the by the court.
Yeah.
Yeah. And, anyway. I'm gonna suggest that we, adjourn the meeting.
Did I get a second?
Second, that's suggestion.
Okay. All in favor of joining a meeting. Say aye. Hi, Apollo.
Hi. The eyes have it. Okay.
Yeah, because there is no body here to oppose it, so. Hi, Jay, during the meeting at 8 31.
Okay, and I'm gonna stop.
Recording so we can do our blue sky talk.
You know.
It's only 2.
No, I'm going to, if I can figure out how to turn off the recording. Pointing out to Gary while a while ago I couldn't figure out how to turn the damn thing on.
Where the hell is it? I'll stop sharing.
I think you killed the Zoom process and that will probably do it.
Who knows what else will happen. Yeah.
Oh, recording maybe. Yeah.
Yeah, I think so. Well, to do that, then it'll kill the entire It'll kill the entire session and Yeah, so I mean, We're not going to do a blue sky.
So the meeting is over.
I could figure out how to turn off the dog on recording, I would.
Okay.
Grap.
All the meeting is being transcribed to the AI companion. Just in case we were wondering.
Whatever the hell that names
Okay.
Lock the meeting, enable. I'm trying to figure out how to turn off the dog on recording.
Oh shoot.
Well, I'm going to stop my, oh, stop me sharing.
Okay